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Digital Slug - 27 Feb 2007 18:35 GMT
Hello,

I finally have to breakdown and ask.....

Is there a basic "Separating Line" control or "Bevel Line" control. It
appears as a simple 3D line.

I'd like to know if there is such a control or will I have to create my own
line control?

Examples: (Observe lines on these screen)

1) Use any generic file, Right-click file --> Properties --> General Tab

2) Open any Setup Wizard, observe line appearing between buttons wizard
content.

Thank you
David Wier - 27 Feb 2007 19:43 GMT
Are you talking about a line, to go on a form, or a separator to go between
menu items?

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> Thank you
RobinS - 27 Feb 2007 20:16 GMT
I use a label with height = 1. Or you can draw a line if you really just
want a line.

Or are you talking about a separator on a menu?

Robin S.
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> Thank you
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP] - 27 Feb 2007 21:10 GMT
"Digital Slug" <DigitalSlugnospamalias@newsgroups.nospam> schrieb:
> Is there a basic "Separating Line" control or "Bevel Line" control. It
> appears as a simple 3D line.

Wrapping Win32 Controls in .NET - Horizontal and Vertical Rules
<URL:http://www.codeproject.com/cs/miscctrl/hvrules1.asp>

Alternatively you can use a label control with width or height set to 2, and
'BorderStyle' set to 'Fixed3D' to create an inset line.

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M S   Herfried K. Wagner
M V P  <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B   <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/dotnet/faqs/>

Digital Slug - 27 Feb 2007 23:18 GMT
Oh my goodness....
That's so cheesy, but it works!!!

Yes, I was inquiring about a basic line, not the splitter control.

That you all for your quick responses. It helps dull the pain of renewing my
MSDN subscription.

Not to mention I can now add several dozen badly needed/required line
separators.

Thanks again!

PS: I'm curious to know if this technique will hold up under Windows Vista.

> "Digital Slug" <DigitalSlugnospamalias@newsgroups.nospam> schrieb:
> > Is there a basic "Separating Line" control or "Bevel Line" control. It
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> Alternatively you can use a label control with width or height set to 2, and
> 'BorderStyle' set to 'Fixed3D' to create an inset line.
RobinS - 27 Feb 2007 23:34 GMT
I would point out that these answers were free, you could have gotten them
w/o an MSDN subscription. :-) We're not MSFT employees.

I don't see any reason this wouldn't work under Vista.

Robin S.
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> Oh my goodness....
> That's so cheesy, but it works!!!
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>> and
>> 'BorderStyle' set to 'Fixed3D' to create an inset line.
Digital Slug - 28 Feb 2007 19:10 GMT
"I would point out that these answers were free...."

Rationalizing....
No..no....that's not true. I wouldn't have gotten a fast response without a
MSDN Subscription. My subscription is critical to my success as a developer.

Do not kill my joy....

> I would point out that these answers were free, you could have gotten them
> w/o an MSDN subscription. :-) We're not MSFT employees.
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> >> and
> >> 'BorderStyle' set to 'Fixed3D' to create an inset line.
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP] - 28 Feb 2007 19:36 GMT
"Digital Slug" <DigitalSlugnospamalias@newsgroups.nospam> schrieb:
> "I would point out that these answers were free...."
>
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>
> Do not kill my joy....

You are invited to post some answers yourself as a thank you if the answer
you got has been helpful.

:-)

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V B   <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/dotnet/faqs/>

Digital Slug - 01 Mar 2007 21:43 GMT
"You are invited to post some answers yourself as a thank you if the answer
you got has been helpful. :-)"  --H. Wagner

Hey...hey....I've been known to help with the dishes from time to time. :-P

> "Digital Slug" <DigitalSlugnospamalias@newsgroups.nospam> schrieb:
> > "I would point out that these answers were free...."
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>
> :-)
RobinS - 28 Feb 2007 22:26 GMT
Well, you know, if you want to have an MSDN subscription, and it makes you
feel better and is helpful to you, then you should have it.

But this was still free advice!   :-D

Robin S.
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> "I would point out that these answers were free...."
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Digital Slug - 01 Mar 2007 21:41 GMT
"You are invited to post some answers yourself as a thank you if the answer
you got has been helpful. :-)"  --H. Wagner

Hey...hey....I've been known to help with the dishes from time to time. :-P

"and it makes you feel better and is helpful to you, then you should have
it."  --RobinS

My MSDN Subscription definitely makes me feel better about myself. I'm
happier and feel tingly all over.  Yeah...it's definitely working for me.

But back on the subject of software....
Granted, it's easy enough to use a Label to create a line, but I don't
understand why MS doesn't create a dedicated control for something so common.
I would think they would create one just to help keep things nice and tidy.

Thinking out loud.....

> Well, you know, if you want to have an MSDN subscription, and it makes you
> feel better and is helpful to you, then you should have it.
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> >> >> 'BorderStyle' set to 'Fixed3D' to create an inset line.
RobinS - 02 Mar 2007 01:33 GMT
> My MSDN Subscription definitely makes me feel better about myself. I'm
> happier and feel tingly all over.  Yeah...it's definitely working for me.

Well, it's good to have *something* that makes you feel that way. Beer
would be cheaper, though. ;-)

> Granted, it's easy enough to use a Label to create a line, but I don't
> understand why MS doesn't create a dedicated control for something so
> common.
> I would think they would create one just to help keep things nice and
> tidy.

Well, you could *draw* a line, but then you'd have to figure out exactly
where you wanted it. Their reasoning for not including this sort of thing
completely escapes me. As frequently as the question comes up in the
microsoft.public.dotnet.* newsgroups, it's obviously something that's
needed. I'm sure if I worked for Microsoft, I could get them to listen to
reason.  Haha!

Robin S.
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> "You are invited to post some answers yourself as a thank you if the
> answer
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Digital Slug - 04 Mar 2007 18:01 GMT
"Well, it's good to have *something* that makes you feel that way. Beer
would be cheaper, though. ;-)"

True, but Nancy Regan once said, "Just Say No To Drugs [and Beer]"
Neither of which is conducive to writing good source code.

"....it's obviously something that's  needed. I'm sure if I worked for
Microsoft, I could get them to listen to reason.  Haha!"

If you were the Microsoft employee that created a line control, you'd
definitely earn you place on Oprah. Yeah, that's a control you could
definitely build a career on.

Tah tah....my application isn't going to document itself!

> > My MSDN Subscription definitely makes me feel better about myself. I'm
> > happier and feel tingly all over.  Yeah...it's definitely working for me.
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RobinS - 04 Mar 2007 18:36 GMT
> Tah tah....my application isn't going to document itself!

It would if you put XML comments in it. Then you could generate the
documentation.

And if you figured out how to get code to generate its *own* documentation,
you would be revered and worshipped by programmers around the world. That's
bigger than even Oprah (I know, hard to imagine).

Robin S.
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> "Well, it's good to have *something* that makes you feel that way. Beer
> would be cheaper, though. ;-)"
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Digital Slug - 05 Mar 2007 23:54 GMT
"It would if you put XML comments in it. Then you could generate the
documentation."

Why thank you O' Wise_One. However, Mr. Slug does know how to auto generate
source code documentation. Just because I look goofy doesn't mean I am goofy.
:-/

Actually, I'm responsible for user documentation as well. Yes, I bring a
whole new meaning to the phrase "One-Stop Shopping." Kudos aren't free! It's
not a sin to have good writing skills.

Later RobinSsssssss.......

:-P

> > Tah tah....my application isn't going to document itself!
>
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RobinS - 06 Mar 2007 00:31 GMT
Slugboy,

I didn't mean that to sound snotty. Did you know a lot of people don't
actually know that? And since I spent quite a bit of Saturday going through
and adding XML comments to one of my own projects, it was uppermost in my
mind. (I don't understand why I can't add the darn things as I go along. So
annoying.)

Have fun with your user documentation. Been there, done that.

Robin S.
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> "It would if you put XML comments in it. Then you could generate the
> documentation."
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Digital Slug - 06 Mar 2007 23:55 GMT
" I didn't mean that to sound snotty."

It's okay...I wasn't offended in the least. Actually, I enjoy genuine
snottiness.  It's hard to find high quality snot these days. People try, but
it's mostly thin and watered down. It's all about nose shape, humidity,
temperature. That's how you get the good stuff. Yes indeed.

"I don't understand why I can't add the darn things as I go along."

Ugh...sure you can....ugh...just add them as you go along.
Sounds like a new thread to me.  Muhahahaha......

"Have fun with your user documentation. Been there, done that."

Oh now...you can't be that old.  :-)

Later Robin_Capital_S

> Slugboy,
>
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RobinS - 07 Mar 2007 03:44 GMT
>" I didn't mean that to sound snotty."
>
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> it's mostly thin and watered down. It's all about nose shape, humidity,
> temperature. That's how you get the good stuff. Yes indeed.

Well, I *do* have a sinus infection, which probably explains a lot.

> "I don't understand why I can't add the darn things as I go along."
>
> Ugh...sure you can....ugh...just add them as you go along.
> Sounds like a new thread to me.  Muhahahaha......

But what if I have to change something, remove a procedure, add a new one?
I'd have to change the comments. (You need to read that in exactly the same
tone of voice as Hayden Christensen playing Anakin Skywalker in SW2 Attack
of the Clones said, "Obi-Wan is holding me back!!" -- as whiny as
possible.)

> "Have fun with your user documentation. Been there, done that."
>
> Oh now...you can't be that old.  :-)

You'd be surprised.

Have fun, slugboy.
Robin S.
Digital Slug - 08 Mar 2007 18:36 GMT
"But what if I have to change something, remove a procedure, add a new one?"

Well Robin Sykwalker, if you're using XML tags in your code, you should be
able to edit your comments.  If you're deleting obsolete procedures, wouldn't
you want to toss obsolete documentation? (Ponder that grasshopper) You can
always just comment out your....well comments. You know you can put your
documentation/comments anywhere you want.

We're counting on you Robin, don't go "End User" on us! :-P

Use the force.....or IBM's Sever Pixy dust.  Both will do the trick.

"You need to read that in exactly the same tone of voice as Hayden
Christensen....."

Yeah, that was high-quality whining.  Now you're really showing your age.
You chose Classic Coke and criticized New Coke.

Senator...I knew Anakin Skywalker....
I served with  Anakin Skywalker.....
I worked with Anakin Skywalker.....
Robin.....you're no Anakin Skywalker.....

Happy computing Boy Wonder,
DS

PS: Your name is gender-neutral so I can use boy or girl jabs anytime I
want.  :-)

> But what if I have to change something, remove a procedure, add a new one?
> I'd have to change the comments. (You need to read that in exactly the same
> tone of voice as Hayden Christensen playing Anakin Skywalker in SW2 Attack
> of the Clones said, "Obi-Wan is holding me back!!" -- as whiny as
> possible.)

> You'd be surprised.
>
> Have fun, slugboy.
> Robin S.

> >" I didn't mean that to sound snotty."
> >
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> Have fun, slugboy.
> Robin S.
RobinS - 09 Mar 2007 18:38 GMT
Hello, slugboy,

You're cracking me up!

I hate to tell you this, but I'm a Pepsi drinker. But I do remember when
they came out with New Coke.

> PS: Your name is gender-neutral so I can use boy or girl jabs anytime I
> want.  :-)

And I refrain from saying, primarily because it was really irritating that
troll, AaronKempf, who kept trying to bait me.

Robin S.
Ts'i mahnu uterna ot twan ot geifur hingts uto.
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> "But what if I have to change something, remove a procedure, add a new
> one?"
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>> Have fun, slugboy.
>> Robin S.
Digital Slug - 10 Mar 2007 01:01 GMT
"I hate to tell you this, but I'm a Pepsi drinker."

(Shoulder shrug)
Coke….Pepsi, they both leave a weird aftertaste in your mouth. Go with OJ.

“But I do remember when they came out with New Coke.”
Confirmed…old as dirt.  :-P
It’s been a long week and I still got it!

“And I refrain from saying, primarily because it was really irritating that  
troll, AaronKempf, who kept trying to bait me.”

Ugh....you do realize that "Aaron" is gender neutral too right? Just
savoring the irony.

Actually, I’m quite alright with life’s ambiguities. In my book, everyone is
a “Pat” in our wonderful little online world we’ve created.

“PS: Your name is gender-neutral so I can use boy or girl jabs anytime I
want.  :-)”

Believe it or not, I wasn’t baiting you. I’m far too subtle for that anyway.
:-P
I’m just relieved that I have another source of new material. Ambiguity
opens many doors for new puns.  Ponder the possibilities. Really, I’m just
glad I didn’t have to resort to my B-Grade material.  Not pretty. A few more
replies and my stuff was gonna get really thin.  Yep...real thin. I’m good
for another 6, 7, maybe 8 more replies. Phew…..

“Robin S., Ts'i mahnu uterna ot twan ot geifur hingts uto.”

What? What the heck is that? Boy Wonder, what are you up to? Are you signing
your emails?  Are you leaving a bread crumb trail? I’ll have you know I’m an
expert with The Google.

“I have all your powers….in fact, I have more.”

Until later RobinS of Arcadia,

Oh…
Since you’re sitting there twiddling your thumbs. Question. Is there a
reason why Tab Pages can’t be made invisible? Am I missing an obscure
property? Yes, I know about the TabPage.Visible property. (Do not waste snot)
That property isn't working.

PS: Bread crumbs? Didn’t Kevin Spacey do the same thing in SEVEN? Does this
end in my unpleasant demise? Tell me, how’s it going to end?

> Hello, slugboy,
>
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> >> Have fun, slugboy.
> >> Robin S.
RobinS - 11 Mar 2007 18:04 GMT
Hello, DigitalSlugBoy,

> Ugh....you do realize that "Aaron" is gender neutral too right? Just
> savoring the irony.

Well, sort of. When it's a woman, it's usually spelled Erin.

And Aaron is a nutcase. He mostly posts to
microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb, and he's abusive and obnoxious.
Apparently he can't deal with learning .Net, so he's trying to terrorize
the rest of us (and Microsoft) into reverting to VB6. ROFL.

> Believe it or not, I wasn't baiting you. I'm far too subtle for that
> anyway.
> :-P

I didn't take it that way, so if you *were* baiting me, it wouldn't have
worked anyway!

> "Robin S., Ts'i mahnu uterna ot twan ot geifur hingts uto."

Think about it. Each word is an anagram, much like life.

> Since you're sitting there twiddling your thumbs. Question. Is there a
> reason why Tab Pages can't be made invisible? Am I missing an obscure
> property? Yes, I know about the TabPage.Visible property. (Do not waste
> snot)
> That property isn't working.

I've seen this question before. I believe you have to remove the tab, and
then when you want it back, add it back in.  It's annoying.

You might try using panels. I saw a keen UI design where down the left side
of the screen, it has bunch of icons, and as you selected each one, the
whole right side of the screen changed. They did that by putting all of the
controls for each option in a panel. When you select one, it makes all of
the panels invisible, and then visibles the one you want to see. Quite
slick, I must admit.

> RobinS of Arcadia,

That show (Joan of A) was cancelled, and just when it was getting
interesting...

> PS: Bread crumbs? Didn't Kevin Spacey do the same thing in SEVEN? Does
> this
> end in my unpleasant demise? Tell me, how's it going to end?

Tetanus. From papercuts you got leafing through the tech books you own.
When's the last time you had a tetanus shot?   >:-O

Robin S.
Ts'i *listl* mahnu uterna ot twan ot geifur hingts uto."
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> "I hate to tell you this, but I'm a Pepsi drinker."
>
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>> >> Have fun, slugboy.
>> >> Robin S.
Digital Slug - 12 Mar 2007 22:04 GMT
Hey Robin Shortz (spawn of Will Shortz)

“Well, sort of. When it's a woman, it's usually spelled Erin.”
Tomato…Tomatoe…

I’ll have to apologize, between the time change and “wrapping up a module” I
didn’t get any sleep. So I’m al little off my game.

“Apparently he can't deal with learning .Net, so he's trying to terrorize
the rest of us (and Microsoft) into reverting to VB6.:

Attack of the Ludites!!!
It’s always difficult to deal with an office full of people that can’t
handle change. No, that statement in no way applies to my current employer.  
:-P

Honestly, I’m waiting for the return of BetaMax.  It’s gonna make a comeback
in a big way.  You’ll see. I’ll show you.

“I didn't take it that way, so if you *were* baiting me, it wouldn't have
worked anyway!”

Like I said, I’m okay with ambiguity.  You could be a lady or you could be a
boy.  Come to think of it, you could be a lady-boy. Fatigued, but I still got
it!

“…, it wouldn't have worked anyway!”
Ugh yeah...you are in no way under the influence. How do you know I’m not
using mind-control powers as we speak? Hhhmmmm….egh?

"Robin S., Ts'i mahnu uterna ot twan ot geifur hingts uto……Think about it.
Each word is an anagram, much like life.”

Wow, who would have ever thought that the Zodiac killer gave up homicide for
software development? That must have been a rough transition for you…going
from stalking to sitting in front of a PC all day. You strike me as an
outdoorsy kinda person.

“RobinS of Arcadia,….That show (Joan of A) was cancelled, and just when it
was getting
interesting...”

Television has been going downhill since the X-Files.

Later RobinS(lug)

“Just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean people aren’t out to get me.”  
-F.M., The X-Files

> Hello, DigitalSlugBoy,
>
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> Robin S.
> Ts'i *listl* mahnu uterna ot twan ot geifur hingts uto."
RobinS - 14 Mar 2007 02:58 GMT
> I'll have to apologize, between the time change and "wrapping up a
>  module" I
> didn't get any sleep. So I'm al little off my game.

For me, it's just the time change killing me. I want my damn hour back.

> Honestly, I'm waiting for the return of BetaMax.  It's gonna make a
> comeback
> in a big way.  You'll see. I'll show you.

Oh, dear. I actually *owned* a BetaMax. I don't even want to *talk* about
how much I paid for it. That's why I won't buy either BluRay or HD DVD
until they decide which one is going to win the war. I'm afraid whichever
side I pick will lose. (Too bad I can't market that kind of karma.) Anyway,
I learned my lesson.

> Ugh yeah...you are in no way under the influence. How do you know I'm not
> using mind-control powers as we speak? Hhhmmmm..egh?

Do you think you're a Jedi or something? (Insert Jabba the Hutt's laughter
here -- from the scene where they have released Han Solo from the carbonite
and they think they're going to get away in the dark, and up wells Jabba's
low HUH HUH HUH HUH HUH.)

> Wow, who would have ever thought that the Zodiac killer gave up homicide
> for
> software development? That must have been a rough transition for
> you.going
> from stalking to sitting in front of a PC all day. You strike me as an
> outdoorsy kinda person.

I can't even imagine that. But I wonder how that guy feels about them
making a movie about him. Do you think he looks at it and says, "Why
couldn't they get Tom Cruise to play me?"

The closest I get to outdoors is looking out the window while I'm typing.
Although now that it's warm again here in California (at least
temporarily), I have to admit I'm wondering if my bike tires are flat.

> Television has been going downhill since the X-Files.

I'm a Law&Order fan, which means there's *always* something on tv for *me*
to watch, because it's on all the time!

Robin S.
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> Hey Robin Shortz (spawn of Will Shortz)
>
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> "Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get me."
> -F.M., The X-Files

<snip>
Digital Slug - 15 Mar 2007 17:43 GMT
“For me, it's just the time change killing me. I want my damn hour back.”

Ditto, I’ve been dragging all week. Hopefully this won’t go on for another 2
weeks.

“Oh, dear. I actually *owned* a BetaMax. I don't even want to *talk* about
how much I paid for it”

You’re showing you age again! I was around for BetaMax, but not old enough
to purchase o’ wise elder. (Strike the wise adjective)

“Do you think you're a Jedi or something?”

Ugh yeah….forth order tuts.  Recall that the weak minded are easy to control.
“For me, it's just the time change killing me….”
Using this information, I’ve confirmed that you live neither in Hawaii nor
Arizona.  Only 48 more states to check. Never mind that you said you live in
California.  :-P

My stealthy ninja-like mind-control strategy is providing me with all the
information I need. “Your feeble skills are no match for the
[slug-side]….Young fool, only now at the end do you realize….”

“That's why I won't buy either BluRay or HD DVD  until they decide which one
is going to win the war.”

Read Previous Post: Video tape is coming back in a big way. There’s no need
to buy any other electronic equipment. Just be patient and wait for the  
second coming.

“I can't even imagine that. But I wonder how that guy feels about them
making a movie about him.”
I like the movie version.  The main suspect died of a heart attack. Gotta
lay off those Twinkies.

"Why couldn't they get Tom Cruise to play me?"
True, he’s nearly as weird.

“The closest I get to outdoors is looking out the window…”
Life is too short for window shopping all day. My new office space doesn’t
have windows!

“Although now that it's warm again here in California….”
My commute sucks and I’m not looking forward to sitting in the California
heat after a long day. Grumble.
(Intentional disclosure  :-P)

“I'm a Law&Order fan, which means there's *always* something on tv for *me*
to watch, because it's on all the time!”

Lawyers on the first floor…lawyers next door…I’ll pass on any and all things
legal.

Later Flying Robin

> > I'll have to apologize, between the time change and "wrapping up a
> >  module" I
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> >
> <snip>
RobinS - 16 Mar 2007 17:33 GMT
Hello DigiSlug,

> Read Previous Post: Video tape is coming back in a big way. There's no
> need
> to buy any other electronic equipment. Just be patient and wait for the
> second coming.

Yeah, you just keep waiting for that. LOL.  Excuse me while I go add some
more disk space to my Tivo...

> My stealthy ninja-like mind-control strategy is providing me with all the
> information I need. "Your feeble skills are no match for the
> [slug-side]..Young fool, only now at the end do you realize.."

The slug-side? Careful about using StarWars-like nomenclature. Don't be
makin' any money off of it. The DoubleL's are even more aggressive than
Apple is about anything starting with "i" or having "pod" in the title.

> My commute sucks and I'm not looking forward to sitting in the California
> heat after a long day. Grumble.

Northern or Southern? Probably Southern. It's not that warm up here yet,
except a couple of days last week. It's back to the 60's, fortunately only
weatherwise and not chronologically speaking.

As our Governator would say, Hasta La Vista, slug-boy.

Robin S.
p.s. DoubleL's == LucasfilmLawyers
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> "For me, it's just the time change killing me. I want my damn hour back."
>
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>
> Later Flying Robin

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