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Bizarre startup problem -- has anyone seen this?

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Michael A. Covington - 30 Jul 2003 03:04 GMT
Has anyone seen the following bizarre startup problem with Visual Studio
.NET (2002)?

I'm not looking for educated guesses, since I've already tried them.  I'm
looking for someone who has actually seen this problem and knows its cause.

Symptom:

On launching Visual Studio, you get to the opening screen, but the toolbars
at the top are not fully populated with icons.  Instead, there are about
five little windows open in front of it, with no content in particular (one
of them seems to be a row of toolbar icons and the rest are little squares).
If you persist, you find that you can't read the help files.  We have not
had anyone actually try to compile a program.

Circumstances:

This happens only to *roaming* users on our XP client workstations.  Any
local user account can use Visual Studio without any trouble.  If a roaming
user is added to the local Administrators group, Visual Studio works just
fine, but this is obviously not a safe thing to do routinely.  Adding a
roaming user to the local Users group is not sufficient.

Local users do *not* have to be Administrators in order to use Visual Studio
effectively.  Even Guest can do it.

The problem apparently has to do with permissions, but I can't tell what's
going on.  I can't even find a significant difference in the group
memberships of the local and roaming users!  So how could there be any
difference in permissions?

The only difference is that the local users belong to a group called "\None"
that is visible when you type "ifmember /list" (a Resource Kit tool) but not
visible in Active Directory Users and Computers.

When the problem appeared:

When we installed Visual Studio .NET Professional (2002) (1/8/2002 date on
directories).  (We also installed Office XP Professional at the same time,
from what we thought was a newer distribution, but it may have been older.
Then we updated Office on line.)

Previously, I had installed VS .NET Academic (2002) (1/31/2002 or somesuch
date) on one workstation and it worked fine with roaming users (see also the
items noted before).

I am now in the process of going back to that installation, to see if it
fixes things.  I hope it does!

Some non-cures:

- We already set Local Intranet to FullTrust.  That was necessary with the
previous setup, so that roaming users can run .NET executables on the server
disk drive.

- We already made domain\Authenticated Users a group member of
local\Debugger Users, so that roaming users can run the debugger.  This,
too, worked with the previous setup.

- Service Pack 2 for .NET 1.0 didn't have any effect on the problem.

Has anyone seen this exact problem, or something *very* closely resembling
it?  Note that there is NO ERROR MESSAGE when Visual Studio starts up
incorrectly -- just a strange and defective IDE.

Thanks,

Michael A. Covington - Associate Director
Artificial Intelligence Center, The University of Georgia
http://www.ai.uga.edu/~mc
Michael A. Covington - 31 Jul 2003 15:14 GMT
I have since learned two things.

(1) The problem is equally present if I install Visual Studio .NET Academic
from my own set of disks.  So it is not specific to the copy of Visual
Studio .NET Professional that we installed.

(2) The problem may well be related to Office XP.  We upgraded from Office
2000 to Office XP at the time the problem appeared.

(3) The afflicted machines have an Office XP problem, which is that when a
roaming user logs in or tries to use any component of Office, Windows
Installer asks for the Office XP CD.  Not just once, but every time.  And
then it's not clear that it really installs anything successfully.

It's obviously something to do with file or registry permissions -- but who
can tell me the details?

> Has anyone seen the following bizarre startup problem with Visual Studio
> .NET (2002)?
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> Artificial Intelligence Center, The University of Georgia
> http://www.ai.uga.edu/~mc
Michael A. Covington - 31 Jul 2003 23:13 GMT
> I have since learned two things.
>
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> (2) The problem may well be related to Office XP.  We upgraded from Office
> 2000 to Office XP at the time the problem appeared.

I've since un-learned that.  Going back to Office 2000 had no effect.

> (3) The afflicted machines have an Office XP problem, which is that when a
> roaming user logs in or tries to use any component of Office, Windows
> Installer asks for the Office XP CD.  Not just once, but every time.  And
> then it's not clear that it really installs anything successfully.

And also with Office 2000.

> It's obviously something to do with file or registry permissions -- but who
> can tell me the details?

I'm using FILEMON and REGMON to investigate.  It's going to be tiresome...
Uriel Julio [MSFT] - 28 Aug 2003 23:52 GMT
Hello,

Officially, only users with admin privileges can use Visual Studio .NET
2002 and 2003 properly. I do not believe that we block non-admins from
running VS.

I hope that helped clarify some things.

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>>I'm using FILEMON and REGMON to investigate.  It's going to be tiresome...

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