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.NET Forum / Languages / Managed C++ / May 2005VC++ Express 2005 is so broken...
lThe compiler output report is seldom correct: Problems here involve not being able to generate an accurate compile report. There are so many problems and I am not on Microsoft's payroll. Neither do I plan to help them fix such a buggy product. The IDE closes down unexpectedly: For no reason at all, the IDE aborts (shuts down); prompts for permission to send an error report to Microsoft. Debug windows: There are problems with variables not being displayed because the compiler 'thinks' they are out of scope when they are not. All in all, this *crappy* product will probably go to market (even though it should be scrapped) because of the faithful efforts of people like you who spend countless hours being frustrated and making Bill get richer. John Gabriel Hi John! Had you ever installed an beta product before Beta 2 ? You should remove all previous betas! The best is to install beta products on an fresh-installed machine! This is why it is called "beta"!  SignatureGreetings Jochen My blog about Win32 and .NET http://blog.kalmbachnet.de/ Hi Jochen, Yes. Did you read my response in one of my earlier posts? I think not. Now it is my turn to tell you: Go back and read it carefully. I said: I did not have to uninstall anything because I reformatted my hard drive. Does this ring a bell? This is not even worthy of being called a 'beta'. It is not even close to an 'omega' product. It is pathetic how Microsoft can launch such a product and expect the public (whom it does not pay) to quality control its product and then have the audacity to turn round and sell it right back to those organizations whose developers helped test it. No Jochen, I do not call this a 'beta' version. I call it an absolute abortion!! John Gabriel > Hi John! > > Had you ever installed an beta product before Beta 2 ? > > You should remove all previous betas! > This is why it is called "beta"! Hi John! > I said: I did not have to uninstall anything because I reformatted my hard > drive. Does this ring a bell? Oh, now I remember... Because you used not the same thread, it is hard for me to have all the previous postings in my head :-> > No Jochen, I do not call this > a 'beta' version. I call it an absolute abortion!! I do not have any major problems with it. SignatureGreetings Jochen My blog about Win32 and .NET http://blog.kalmbachnet.de/ I installed the full beta 2 and it's been quite okay for me. Beta 1 was definitely slow and crash-prone. But Beta 2 has been quite decent :-) Almost as good as VC++ 7.1 :-) Maybe they use a different code base for the Express editions. SignatureRegards, Nish [VC++ MVP] http://www.voidnish.com http://blog.voidnish.com > lThe compiler output report is seldom correct: > Problems here involve not being able to generate an accurate compile [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > John Gabriel > I installed the full beta 2 and it's been quite okay for me. Beta 1 > was definitely slow and crash-prone. But Beta 2 has been quite decent > :-) Almost as good as VC++ 7.1 :-) > > Maybe they use a different code base for the Express editions. The Express Edition IDE is a completely new (Version 0.0) product, from what I understand. -cd >> Maybe they use a different code base for the Express editions. > > The Express Edition IDE is a completely new (Version 0.0) > product, from what I understand. Actually it's the same code base :) Express Edition is just a different set of setup options and configuration files that disable some features, enable others, and modify some UI look and feel. There's very little code that's written "just for Express" for C++. Thanks, SignatureTarek Madkour, Visual C++ Team This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. >>> Maybe they use a different code base for the Express editions. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > some features, enable others, and modify some UI look and feel. > There's very little code that's written "just for Express" for C++. Good to hear. I suppose I'm going to have to install the express edition one of these days :) -cd Good luck Carl! And may the force be with you. I would be interested to know if you run into the same problems I did. You may look at my posts and see if you can't replicate some of the bugs I found. If MS comes up with a new update of the Express Edition, I would like to know. Only problem is even with a high speed connection, it still takes me 20-30 minutes to download everything. John gabriel > >>> Maybe they use a different code base for the Express editions. > >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > -cd > Good luck Carl! And may the force be with you. I would be interested > to know if you run into the same problems I did. You may look at my > posts and see if you can't replicate some of the bugs I found. If MS > comes up with a new update of the Express Edition, I would like to > know. Only problem is even with a high speed connection, it still > takes me 20-30 minutes to download everything. OK, downloaded. It seems to work fine for me. I'll go through your posts and see if I can repro any of the things you reported, but so far I'm not seeing anything. I installed on a fresh install of Server 2003 SP1. I think I recall you saying you installed on XP, but I can't find that quote at the moment. In any case, the OS you installed on _shouldn't_ matter, but you never know. -cd Hi Carl! > OK, downloaded. It seems to work fine for me. I'll go through your posts > and see if I can repro any of the things you reported, but so far I'm not > seeing anything. I installed on a fresh install of Server 2003 SP1. I > think I recall you saying you installed on XP, but I can't find that quote > at the moment. In any case, the OS you installed on _shouldn't_ matter, but > you never know. I did the same on XP without any problems... I also installed the PSDK and followed the instruction at http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=2995 and I can now build win32 apps without any problems. SignatureGreetings Jochen My blog about Win32 and .NET http://blog.kalmbachnet.de/ Carl, Yes, I am using XP HOME edition with all the service pack updates. The errors are there. I guess most users are not going to be running XP Home so maybe this is why Microsoft has not picked up these bugs? I would not be surprised at this because Microsoft is known for this sort of thing. For example, they ship XP Home without ISS or a web server. They do not apologize for this nor do they provide any workaround. I am sick of being given the run-around by having to quality-test incompetent and dysfunctional products. Jochen reports that he can build applications just fine. I believe he does not read my posts carefully. Here's what I said once again: -) The Build output window which reports the build status often reports a failure. However, simply rebuilding again reports a successful build without any modifications to the code. What this boils down to is that one can never be certain if a build report is 'telling the truth or not'. It often complains about 'locked resources' when in fact no resources are locked. -) Just clicking on the IDE (by accident) caused the IDE to abort and resulted in the loss of some of the program files. When I restarted the Express Edition to try and rebuild my project, a message appeared to the effect that I should reboot my system in order for these lost files to be recovered. In true microsoft tradition I rebooted but unfortunately the files could not be recovered. Strangely enough, it was somehow still able to build an executable. I could go on and on regarding managed/unmanaged code and other problems but looking at the posts I can see I am not the only one who is finding problems. The microsoft team know of all these problems and are probably having a good laugh reading this. John Gabriel > > Good luck Carl! And may the force be with you. I would be interested > > to know if you run into the same problems I did. You may look at my [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > -cd I'm not sure you (John Gabriel) really understand the concept and purpose of a BETA release. Would you prefer it if Microsoft never released any ALPHA or BETA trials? That way, all testing would done in-house, increasing costs and delaying release dates. Would you prefer it if the REAL people had no way of giving feed back until the full version was released? That way it would be very possible for Micro$oft to get the whole thing completely wrong. A BETA by its very definition is not complete, this entire software package cost you nothing except a certain amount download time. It is not easy to get something as monumental as a complete programming package right without outside user input. So please, in future, give advice as feedback and not comments bordering on abusive. By the way, just in-case you were wandering I think I feel similar feelings towards Micro$oft and Bill Gates as you do, so don't think I am defending those monopolising, money guzzling, economic tyrants! I am simply stating that I think your comments are a little nasty and quite unhelpful to Microsoft in improving the product as you are not very specific with your problems. Anyhow, I have babbled on for long enough now, so I'm away to get stoned, See y'all later! Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. Simply choose a title, complete the application form and submit it. Read more ...
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