Is VC++ .NET dead/dying?

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ultranet - 19 Jun 2004 08:19 GMT

I have cruised around

http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/ and the rest of the site, and i am
not able to find a single C++ or VC++ certification exam that will be
available after June 30, 2004. I emailed support, and the reply was:
"We understand your concerns in this matter.

We would like to inform you that at this moment we do not have any plan or information if there will be replacements for the discontinued exams."

Does anybody know if any C/C++/VC++
certification exams are being planned that will replace those that are
being obsoleted?

P.S. Does this mean that VC++ as a language is likely to obsoleted, and
future versions of Visual Studio will come w/o VC++ support as well? I know
there is a 2005 release of VC++ coming up. I am a little confused. Is
VC++ being completely replaced by C# after that? It looks like native
code will still be used in LognHorn, based on some references on the
site. Some big-font clarification on the site (by Microsoft) itself would probably be
useful to many people, not just me.
P.P.S. I still don't believe that MS Office, for instance, will come in non-native fashion. Mainly because then everybody will be able to decompile it. And i think MS is not a fan of that happening.
P.P.P.S. Given that roughly 50% or so of MS apps code in the future is still very likely to be native, why discontinue native-code certifications w/o a replacement? Or there VC++ .Net certification in the pipeline to replace 6.0? If yes, then when?

Thanks,
<rsa/

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Kapil - 19 Jun 2004 19:29 GMT

> P.S. Does this mean that VC++ as a language is likely to obsoleted, and

It is true that C# would be used as the default .NET framework programming language but I believe that real programmers will still work on Managed C++.

You cannot expect people to convert all their C++ code to C#. With C++ you can have mixed native and managed code. Which means that you have native dlls as well as managed stuff in your application.

This enables to slowly move to .NET framework. I am not sure about the training courses myself but I suggest you wait for a beta1 for the product and then there should be a lot of discussions and trainings on the same.

Thanks.

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James Curran - 21 Jun 2004 15:21 GMT

Managed C++ is having a major syntax change in vs2005. From this, we
can derive two important facts:
1) after spending a lot of time & money on C++, MS is not going to
abandon it, and,
2) All existing C++ MSCD exams will need to be discontinued and
replaced.

The new exams will almost certainly be out in a few months.

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> I have cruised around
>
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> useful to many people, not just me.
> P.P.S. I still don't believe that MS Office, for instance, will come in non-native fashion. Mainly because then everybody will be able to decompile

it. And i think MS is not a fan of that happening.

> P.P.P.S. Given that roughly 50% or so of MS apps code in the future is still very likely to be native, why discontinue native-code certifications

w/o a replacement? Or there VC++ .Net certification in the pipeline to
replace 6.0? If yes, then when?

> Thanks,
> <rsa/

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Ronald Laeremans [MSFT] - 21 Jun 2004 18:04 GMT

Sadly they will not be out that soon. The development cycles for this
material are quite long and we don't have a firm plan in place yet (but are
working towards one). Training and certification being available around the
time 8.0 RTMs is probably more realistic. And no, I can't offer a concrete
date for the latter. ;-)

Ronald

> Managed C++ is having a major syntax change in vs2005. From this, we
> can derive two important facts:
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>> Thanks,
>> <rsa/

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