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Visual Web Developer 2005 Express SCREWS UP YOUR CODE on PURPOSE...STOP TOUCHING MY CODE, MICROSOFT!!!!

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ik - 02 Jul 2004 07:18 GMT
DEAR MICROSOFT:

STOP TOUCHING MY CODE!!!!!!

Stop ADDING these attributes to my tags

   meta:resourcekey="LiteralResource3"

Your Web Developer 2005 express added that crappy and unneeded attribute to
all my tags on my aspx page...you even added that attribute to the @page
directive. The people who actually do work might have to to bounce back to a
better HTML editor and NOT use 1.1 OR I don't even want that attribute in
the first place as I don't place to use .resx files anyway

DON'T DO THAT!!!

GOT IT!!!!!!

NOW I HAVE TO GO AND REMOVE IT FOR ALL THE TAGS ON MY PAGE IF I WANT TO USE
.NET 1.1

COMPRENDE!!!!!!!
Miha Markic [MVP C#] - 02 Jul 2004 08:38 GMT
Dear ik,

You might make a suggestion or report a bug instead of yelling and
crossposting in these newsgroups.
http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/productfeedback/

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> DEAR MICROSOFT:
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> COMPRENDE!!!!!!!
Simon Harvey - 02 Jul 2004 09:44 GMT
Good idea. They're actually very very responsive. Although I wouldnt shout
or they'll just think you're a physco - which undobtably you are...
But if we keep that between you an I we might get you perfectly reasonable
request fixed.

And remember, the products release date is a whole year away. I think the
product is remarkably mature given that fact

Simon

Dear ik,

You might make a suggestion or report a bug instead of yelling and
crossposting in these newsgroups.
http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/productfeedback/

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Miha Markic [MVP C#] - RightHand .NET consulting & development
miha at rthand com
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Cowboy \(Gregory A. Beamer\) [MVP] - 02 Jul 2004 14:39 GMT
First, I have been around betas for quite some time and I can understand the
frustration. But, when you play with matches, you risk getting burned. If
you are working with original copies of production code in a beta
environment, you are taking an unnecessary risk. If you want to see what the
new product does, use a copy, then you do not have to worry about removing
things. If you are playing with production code, with no source control or
backup, you are making a mistake.

Second, when you rant about how dumb someone's methodology is, you are more
likely to be greeted with silence than have that person try to help you
through your difficulties. The louder you yell that someone is a jerk, the
less likely you are EVER going to get your problems solved. This is not a
Microsoft thing, but a human nature thing.

Third, if you feel you have a legitimate beef, register and log your
suggestion. It might surprise you to find out that the .NET team actually
read these things. You may find that there are reasons why certain things
are added, other than simply to screw up your code. You may still disagree
with them, but you will know the reasoning.

Fourth, this is a BETA product. BETAs are not the final release. This makes
point three especially germane. Log suggestions, as there is still time to
get changes for some things. If you have a problem, there may be others that
have the same problem. Also, BETA products may already have some changes in
mind.

Fifth, before installing and messing around with a product, especially a
BETA, you should read the readme files. They often contain a wealth of
information about known minefields. In a development product, the help files
are wonderful for understanding what it might do.

You are playing with a BETA, which is playing at your own risk. If you take
your prized breakables into a pre-school class, they will most likely get
broken. Instead of the Ming vase, take a copy.

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Gregory A. Beamer
MVP; MCP: +I, SE, SD, DBA

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Think Outside the Box!
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> COMPRENDE!!!!!!!
clintonG - 02 Jul 2004 17:31 GMT
I have to concur -- the Express products are beta and thus still being
designed.

If people want to rant about corporate pigs they should start with shouting
to the world about AutoPimp (AutoDesk) which charges customers an
annual 'developer' fee just to obtain documentation required to learn how
to use the AutoCad products or to access their secret newsgroup(s).

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"Cowboy (Gregory A. Beamer) [MVP]" <NoSpamMgbworld@comcast.netNoSpamM> wrote in
message news:elQvHpDYEHA.3516@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

> First, I have been around betas for quite some time and I can understand the
> frustration. But, when you play with matches, you risk getting burned. If
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> > COMPRENDE!!!!!!!
ik - 05 Jul 2004 07:54 GMT
Nonsense. Microsoft went out of it's way to say for Whidbey and said over
and over again,

"We are not going to touch your code, Period"

And they did just that in the Beta.....

I don't care about the reasoning PERIOD. We, Me, Microsoft and real
developers out there already discussed this problem over and over again over
the years.

MICROSOFT, DON'T TOUCH THE CODE.

"Cowboy (Gregory A. Beamer) [MVP]" <NoSpamMgbworld@comcast.netNoSpamM> wrote
> First, I have been around betas for quite some time and I can understand the
> frustration. But, when you play with matches, you risk getting burned. If
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> > COMPRENDE!!!!!!!
Shawn B. - 16 Jul 2004 18:28 GMT
I'm not using the Express version, but I am using the Full VS.NET 2005 Beta
1 (Architect???) and I don't have see any problems with it messing up my
code.  I'm particular about that so i would have noticed.  I do not know
what would be different in the Express product.  There is also, of course,
the fact that I may not be producing the same steps you are to "cause" such
an action but overall, I think its remarkably great of a product considering
it is pre-release material.

Thanks,
Shawn

> Nonsense. Microsoft went out of it's way to say for Whidbey and said over
> and over again,
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> > > COMPRENDE!!!!!!!
DotNetJunkies User - 20 Jul 2004 20:23 GMT
I must agree with the first post. Add tags in code isn't a good way to do things. There is maybe reasons for that, but modify a source will never be a way to do things. I know that the .net team have goals to meet, but microsoft had this manner to add unwanted tag or informations in source code that are of no use from my point of view.

If the software or platform needs more informtaions on thing just write it down. You know programmers are not nuts. When a language evolve it's normal that it become more complicated to use.

If you don't trust your users, they won,t trust you.

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Calvin Luttrell /PT - 29 Aug 2004 16:29 GMT
Oh boy,

I'm the first one to say yelling and screaming about something is perfectly fine. However maybe we should choose our battles. I don't know if anyone read the desciptions for the express product line. I am running all of them I would say they are doing what is appropriate for the context. I believe they said the prodicut was for hobbiest and students. So a "real" programmer wouldn't have anything to worry about.

-Calvin Luttrell
Projecthunder.com, Inc.

>I must agree with the first post. Add tags in code isn't a good way to do things. There is maybe reasons for that, but modify a source will never be a way to do things. I know that the .net team have goals to meet, but microsoft had this manner to add unwanted tag or informations in source code that are of no use from my point of view.
>
> If the software or platform needs more informtaions on thing just write it down. You know programmers are not nuts. When a language evolve it's normal that it become more complicated to use.
>
> If you don't trust your users, they won,t trust you.

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