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.NET Forum / .NET Framework / General / November 2006Good book for an absolute beginner on VB.net or 2005 with databases
Hello all! I'm looking for a very good book for an absolute beginner on VB.net or VB 2005 with emphasis on databases. What would you reccommend? Thanks! Hello weight, Two separate books - about VB2005 and ADO.net. Not expert about VB2005 but classic .NET 2.0 for beginners is Troelsen "Pro C# 2005 and the .NET 2.0 Platform" http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/1590594193/103-3604776-7235011?SubscriptionId=1KDHE GDEXZNBKYAEECR2 And this http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/0735621640/103-3604776-7235011?SubscriptionId=1KDHE GDEXZNBKYAEECR2 is not bad about ADO.NET for newbies w2> Hello all! w2> w2> I'm looking for a very good book for an absolute beginner on VB.net w2> or VB 2005 with emphasis on databases. What would you reccommend? w2> w2> Thanks! w2> --- WBR, Michael Nemtsev [C# MVP] :: blog: http://spaces.live.com/laflour "At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid." (c) Friedrich Nietzsche A good book for an absolute beginner is Tim Patrick's "Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005". It doesn't emphasize databases, but you will learn how to incorporate data access into your app. The nice thing about this book is that you develop an entire application while learning VB2005, rather than ending up with a hundred little tiny apps that each do one thing. For data-only, check out William Vaughn's book, "Hitchiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQLServer". Robin S. -------------------------------- > Hello all! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks! The book _Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005_ shows you how to develop a complete database application, and is designed for programmers just learning VB2005. > Hello all! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks! You know, if you're Tim Patrick, it's okay to stump for your own book. Bill Vaughn does it fairly incessantly (not that there's anything wrong with that!). :-D Robin S. ------------------ > The book _Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005_ shows you how to develop a > complete database application, and is designed for programmers just [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> Thanks! Are you also an absolute beginner with databases as well ?, the only reason I ask is that you may find it useful to install sql server on your machine ( if you dont already have it and do some tutorials from w3schools before embarking on .NET ) http://www.w3schools.com/ HTH > Hello all! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks! > Are you also an absolute beginner with databases as well ?, the > only reason I ask is that you may find it useful to install sql > server on your machine ( if you dont already have it and do > some tutorials from w3schools before embarking on .NET ) > > http://www.w3schools.com/ Oh, no not a problem, I'm quite computer literate myself. I'm looking for a book for a friend of mine who is an absolute beginner. The setup hassle, I will do it for him, no problem. I just needed an introductory book and having no experience with VB, I tought I should ask people who have prior experience. Thanks for the interest! weight gain 2000, Are you an experienced database programmer but an absolute beginner with the particular tool, VB2005? Or have you never written a line of code in any language? Kerry Moorman > Hello all! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks! > weight gain 2000, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Kerry Moorman The person I'm willing to buy this book for has absolutely no programming experience (well, maybe he did a bit of fortran as part of his undergraduate courses but I consider this no experience at all, and he admits not remembering anything at all). He just wants to learn an easy way to program database stuff (hence VB 2005 + databases)... So, I'm looking for a good introductory book for him. If your experience suggests something else, feel free to correct me weight gain 2000, In my opinion, your friend really needs to take one or two introductory courses at a community/technical/undergraduate college. The courses should cover the fundamental concepts of program design and development that are common to all programming languages: Algorithms Variables Sequence Selection Repetition Code organization using procedures Elementary data structures, such as arrays and structures Code organization using classes and objects Collections I think an introductory course in database design is also very important, even for experienced programmers who need to design a database structure as part of their coding projects. With this fundamental background as context, it might then be possible to pick up specific Visual Basic skills from a book. Kerry Moorman > > weight gain 2000, > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > If your experience suggests something else, feel free to correct > me kerry are you a f.cking idiot or a professor? teach them 'ACCESS MACROS' they're all multiple choice; no programming necessary and he would be productive starting in hour 1. VB 2005 sure isn't flying off the shelves; so I wouldn't invest in YET ANOTHER LANGUAGE THAT MICROSOFT WILL KILL OFF WHEN THEY GET BORED -Aaron > weight gain 2000, > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > If your experience suggests something else, feel free to correct > > me > weight gain 2000, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Kerry Moorman You are absolutely right there. But what I gathered from him is that he is not at all interested in learning how to implement a b-tree but to "just get things done" (VB-style). This will eventually mean that he will be using the ->sort() function of some class rather than implementing his own crap like a fawlty bubblesort. So what he needs to do is learn how to begin creating an app in which you hit a button and says "hello". (Just double-click on the button and type MessageBox "Hello" or something, rather than learning whole stuff about class inheritance, complex event handling, etc...) > Hello all! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks! Is your "absolute beginner" open to other means of learning programming basics? If so, consider courses offered by local vocational-technical institutions and/or community colleges, that often include courses in VB.NET. That approach adds some structure to the learning process and provides a source of assistance if difficulties are encountered. In addition, your beginner may find that the IT department of a local institution is a member of the MSDN Academic Alliance (MSDN AA) and that, through MSDN AA, software such as VS 2005 is available at no cost. >> Hello all! >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > through MSDN AA, software such as VS 2005 is available at no > cost. I'm afraid he insists on a book he can get to whenever he feels like or has time. He's already undergoing a postgraduate degree on statistical medicine (or something like that) so he sees it like a hobby to be learned at a very slow pace, using something like a book. Hello I recently learning VB.NET but move to Java instead. You can buy my books cheap. Sorry for my english. Raj > Hello all! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks! Hi You are probably best to avoid VB as there is much talk about it being dropped in the next release of Visual Studio. Whenever someone mentions it in these news groups, it seems to start a little flame war for some reason. It may or may not be true, but I have a friend that works at Redmond and he seems convinced that its very likely Visual basic will be killed off soon. I guess that it's up to you to take the gamble. Anyway good luck to your friend. Steve > Hello all! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks! This isn't true. I know someone who wrote a book who works in Redmond, and he says it's not true. Robin S. ------------------------------------ > Hi > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> >> Thanks! Yes, that may become truth in future. Thats why I sell the VB books I have becose afraid I to take the gamble chance. I learn Java now. Raj > Hi > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > > Thanks! Yeah, right, we know this is just an alias for aaron kempf. Robin S. ------------------------------ > Yes, that may become truth in future. Thats why I sell the VB books I > have becose afraid I to take the gamble chance. I learn Java now. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> > >> > Thanks! > Hi > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > it's up to you to take the gamble. Anyway good luck to your > friend. Hm... that is a bit serious but I think it's not going to hurt him either way. He will always have VS2005 working (well, at least for the next 4-5 years) so I don't think this is something to worry him over. If and when that happens, he can turn to another language, but he will have an idea of what's going on, the basics about programming.... By the way, is C# on par with VB considering ease of use and learnability? Maybe we could direct him to C#, after all! >> Hi >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > By the way, is C# on par with VB considering ease of use and > learnability? Maybe we could direct him to C#, after all! First, don't listen to this guy; he's just trying to cause trouble. Second, that's a loaded question. VB programmers think C# is more difficult to read, and C# programmers think VB programmers are nuts. The truth is, C# is more difficult. (Which one do you think I use? ;-) Robin S. Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. Simply choose a title, complete the application form and submit it. Read more ...
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