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.NET Forum / .NET Framework / General / January 2005Thinstall
Has anyone used this product (Thinstall)? It sounds too good to be true. One exe to distribute without installation issues. I ran across a reference to it on a VB site and am curious if anyone here is using it or has comments about the concept. I have no idea on pricing yet (but I did see one comment it was around $200 for a single developer). Any inpu appreciated, John Well I just received a formal quote...$4000.00 per application! OUCH IMHO it is a great idea that is priced right out of the market. Are there any other products similar that anyone knows about? John >Has anyone used this product (Thinstall)? It sounds too good to be >true. One exe to distribute without installation issues. I ran across [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Any inpu appreciated, >John >Well I just received a formal quote...$4000.00 per application! OUCH >IMHO it is a great idea that is priced right out of the market. Are >there any other products similar that anyone knows about? Don't know if it's the exact same thing, but you could check out Salamander .NET Linker and Mini-Deployment Tool, which goes for $500 for a 5-license pack. http://www.remotesoft.com/ Luke. Hi Luke, Thanks for the link. It sounds very good. It is not exactly what Thinstall is but it does appear to solve several issues and to be a good deployment tool also. And $500 for up to 5 developers is a much much much more reasonable pricing. Too bad the Thinstall people can't appreciate the magnitude of the market we "little" guys create...oh well. John >>Well I just received a formal quote...$4000.00 per application! OUCH >>IMHO it is a great idea that is priced right out of the market. Are [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Luke. Seems to be more like 1500$US than 200$: http://news.zdnet.com/2110-3513_22-5375602.html . S. L. > Has anyone used this product (Thinstall)? It sounds too good to be > true. One exe to distribute without installation issues. I ran across [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Any inpu appreciated, > John Yep...worse than that. I just got an email from Thinstall quoting $4000 and it is PER APPLICATION! It is not per developer. So if you have 2 or 3 applications this can be major bucks. I did write back and suggest that a $200 per application price might be more profitable in the long run. Gillette sells the razor blades not the razors! Oh well...are there any competitors? I can not find any. Been searching for a Virtual Operating System etc. John >Seems to be more like 1500$US than 200$: >http://news.zdnet.com/2110-3513_22-5375602.html . [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> Any inpu appreciated, >> John Yah, it's look like that this is a stuff for bigs companies only. For Virtual Operating System, there are VPC2004 and VMWare but obviously, these two are not for installing/deploying a software product. Do you have any particular need or if you are just taking a look around? S. L. > Yep...worse than that. I just got an email from Thinstall quoting > $4000 and it is PER APPLICATION! It is not per developer. So if you [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >>> Any inpu appreciated, >>> John I just thought the concept of creating a single exe that had a VOS layer between the OS and the application and used a virtual registry was a very cool idea. I have suffered through DLL hell and struggled with non-technical end users trying to install or upgrade my programs and this approach would make life so much simpler (not to mention the WFP issues too). A VOS in itself would not solve the problem. Would need a complete environment to run the app including DLL and activeX components. John >Yah, it's look like that this is a stuff for bigs companies only. > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >>>> Any inpu appreciated, >>>> John If all .Net assemblies you could use something like ILMerge http://research.microsoft.com/~mbarnett/ilmerge.aspx to get one exe. You can manually do it too loading assems from the resource manafest in the main exe. Not sure about activeX components.  SignatureWilliam Stacey, MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com > I just thought the concept of creating a single exe that had a VOS > layer between the OS and the application and used a virtual registry [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > >>>> Any inpu appreciated, > >>>> John Hi William, Thanks for the link. I am a VB6 guy trying to move to .net so I have some sophmoric questions...will the assemblies contain the complete .net framework or does that still have to be installed separately? Thinstall's site indicates that it allows only inclusion of the parts of the framework required and not the whole framework and for activeX components and dll's it creates a virtual registry and handles the interface from the app to the os. I guess what I am asking is does the ILmerge at least handle all of the .net framework installation issues? Thanks, John >If all .Net assemblies you could use something like ILMerge >http://research.microsoft.com/~mbarnett/ilmerge.aspx to get one exe. You >can manually do it too loading assems from the resource manafest in the main >exe. Not sure about activeX components. No. Has nothing to do with the Framework install. Framework must be installed to run app as normal. I am not too hot on things like ThinInstall. You have a whole new layer of potential problems and deployment issues IMO. I am however confused. You don't need reg entries or installs with .Net assems. You can xcopy them if you want. I take it your also needing win32 native dlls that also need registration that you call via pinvoke? SignatureWilliam Stacey, MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com > Hi William, > Thanks for the link. I am a VB6 guy trying to move to .net so I have [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >can manually do it too loading assems from the resource manafest in the main > >exe. Not sure about activeX components. I have not developed in .net yet. Have been doing vb5, 6 for several years and just now looking into it. I have had problems with installs and dll hell in the vb5,6 era and am trying to understand the issues I am about to face in the .net world. I do agree that having a layer between my app and the os is worrisome but the attraction of a single exe that you just download and run is very appealing. I dont want to waste more of your time. I have to study more about assemblies and .net to really a.ses what I will need. I do anticipate needing win32 dll's as I often work with multi-port com cards and use a special dll for that. Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction. John >No. Has nothing to do with the Framework install. Framework must be >installed to run app as normal. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >you want. I take it your also needing win32 native dlls that also need >registration that you call via pinvoke? XenoCode is an obfuscator and the latest version will also merge assemblies. It's inexpensive and works fairly well. --Gianluca > I have not developed in .net yet. Have been doing vb5, 6 for several > years and just now looking into it. I have had problems with installs [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >you want. I take it your also needing win32 native dlls that also need > >registration that you call via pinvoke? Yep. I forgot about the new merge assemblies option. Good product. SignatureWilliam Stacey, MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com > XenoCode is an obfuscator and the latest version will also merge assemblies. > It's inexpensive and works fairly well. Thanks Gianluca and William. A good tip. John >Yep. I forgot about the new merge assemblies option. Good product. Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. Simply choose a title, complete the application form and submit it. Read more ...
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