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.NET Forum / .NET Framework / General / October 2004Bye Bye Microsoft Passport!
It seems that Microsoft may be slowly phasing away Passport, which had been one of the hyped components of the eroded dotnet hype....bye bye, passport, we hardly knew ye! bwahahahbwahahaha!!!!! http://www.dashes.com/anil/2004/10/17/wither_passport "Microsoft hasn't talked much about Passport lately, but Monster.com sent out an email last week saying that they were discontinuing the option to sign in using Passport. And I noticed today that eBay isn't offering the option to sign in with Passport anymore either. Although the creepy Passport for Kids site is still up and running, and the notice from last March about the Express Purchase service getting killed is still up, but I think the definitive bad sign is that the directory of sites using Passport is gone. Was there some press release from Microsoft about Passport dying? Did I miss it?" I think it is becaues Microsoft charged too much for a company to set up a passport sight. Have you every priced it. $$$$$ only large companies could afford it. Brad Shook > It seems that Microsoft may be slowly phasing away Passport, which had > been one of the hyped components of the eroded dotnet hype....bye bye, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > directory of sites using Passport is gone. Was there some press > release from Microsoft about Passport dying? Did I miss it?" > I think it is becaues Microsoft charged too much for a company to set up a > passport sight. Have you every priced it. $$$$$ only large companies could > afford it. Not to mention the sheer stupidity in giving all your CRM information away to another company, and paying them to take it. Especially Microsoft. It just doesn't make any sense.  SignatureThe wheel is turning, but the hamster is dead. namonai at that google email system > I think it is becaues Microsoft charged too much for a company to set up a > passport sight. Have you every priced it. $$$$$ only large companies could [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > directory of sites using Passport is gone. Was there some press > > release from Microsoft about Passport dying? Did I miss it?" .NET died when the banks refused to pay Microsoft for a service they already had for the promise of increased business which Microsoft could not make. >> I think it is becaues Microsoft charged too much for a company to set up a >> passport sight. Have you every priced it. $$$$$ only large companies could [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > already had for the promise of increased business which Microsoft > could not make. .NET != Passport SignatureTom Shelton > >> I think it is becaues Microsoft charged too much for a company to set up a > >> passport sight. Have you every priced it. $$$$$ only large companies could [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > .NET != Passport No, Passport was inclusive but a critical part of the .NET vision. Microsoft considered using a half assed freemail client as a lynchpin universal authentication system for sensitive data. > .NET != Passport I think the problem lies with MS - they weren't very clear with their nomenclature. You're both right! =:) As has been said before, please don't post this stuff to a technical newsgroup with the pure intention of riling people - I don't really care what you post in the advocacy groups but I can't imagine it's on-topic there either. Steve > It seems that Microsoft may be slowly phasing away Passport, which had > been one of the hyped components of the eroded dotnet hype....bye bye, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > directory of sites using Passport is gone. Was there some press > release from Microsoft about Passport dying? Did I miss it?" >It seems that Microsoft may be slowly phasing away Passport, which had >been one of the hyped components of the eroded dotnet hype....bye bye, >passport, we hardly knew ye! bwahahahbwahahaha!!!!! Hmm... My MSDN account still uses it.. And eBay still uses it. Perhaps Monster.com is just cutting costs because they're not making the money they thought they would. Rumor has it that Monster's current TV ad campaign is a make-or-break effort. If it doesn't drum them up new business (remember hiring companies *pay* to use Monster) they're done for. > Hmm... My MSDN account still uses it.. And eBay still uses it. > Perhaps Monster.com is just cutting costs because they're not making > the money they thought they would. nope, microsoft is severely scaling back passport and may even join the liberty alliance. http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,118229,00.asp >nope, microsoft is severely scaling back passport and may even join >the liberty alliance. > >http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,118229,00.asp Yea it sure looks that way, huh? Well, I never really got Passport anyway... And apparently neither did anyone else.. While Microsoft's passport goes down: http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,118229,00.asp Sun's LIberty Alliance gains a VERY big member (IBM): http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-5420814.html "With the failure of Passport and the interoperability pact struck in April of this year with former archrival Sun, Microsoft may elect to join the Liberty Alliance or support the group's specification. Microsoft and Sun have said that identity management is one of the first areas in which they hope to achieve interoperability." > It seems that Microsoft may be slowly phasing away Passport, which had > been one of the hyped components of the eroded dotnet hype....bye bye, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > directory of sites using Passport is gone. Was there some press > release from Microsoft about Passport dying? Did I miss it?" > Sun's LIberty Alliance gains a VERY big member (IBM): > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-5420814.html > > "With the failure of Passport and the interoperability pact struck in > April of this year with former archrival Sun, Microsoft may elect to > join the Liberty Alliance or support the group's specification. Given its past history, Microsoft is sure to ignore the Liberty Alliance or subvert the group's specification. > Microsoft and Sun have said that identity management is one of the > first areas in which they hope to achieve interoperability." Microsoft and Sun are very high on the list of companies who have demonstrated they cannot be trusted with any form of "identity management". Well Passport has essentially been failure from the beginning. When Microsoft introduced Hailstorm services (ie My services.net) business rejected it. Today Passport is used for Microsoft sites only even their own employees disdain the use of passport. I think IBM had been thinking of joining Liberty. On the otherhand they were holding off to gain a strategic advantage over Sun. A lot of this had to do with IBM's involvement with the Internet2 Shibboleth project. Shibboleth was a opensource federated authentication mechnanism, which used SAML. Now since Liberty is SAML based it makes a lot of sense. IBM's decision is rather ironic since they have invested more resources than any other company. But IBM as a company has not actively pushed directory services. There is of course a much larger ramifications such as IBM directory and the services that accompany it. Thankfully the customer pushed IBM in the right direction. In the long run it will be good for both the customer and IBM. More importantly it gives them more leverage to prevent Active Directory and passport from extending and embracing the IT world. > > Sun's LIberty Alliance gains a VERY big member (IBM): > > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-5420814.html [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Given its past history, Microsoft is sure to ignore the Liberty > Alliance or subvert the group's specification. Well currently Microsoft is pushing the WS-I standard, but it merge with Liberty over the next year. > > Microsoft and Sun have said that identity management is one of the > > first areas in which they hope to achieve interoperability." > > Microsoft and Sun are very high on the list of companies who > have demonstrated they cannot be trusted with any form of "identity Well Microsoft has proven this, but I think Sun is still a trusted company > management". > Well Passport has essentially been failure from the beginning. When > Microsoft introduced Hailstorm services (ie My services.net) business > rejected it. Today Passport is used for Microsoft sites only even > their own employees disdain the use of passport. Hailstorm failed because there really wasn't a business case to justify it. Passport, while not a resounding success, isn't a failure. It's used by more than just MS sites, but that list is rather limited. For example, ebay uses passport, as does InstallShield, USA Today, ESPN, etc.. but even if it was only MS, that's still a *LOT* of sites. > Well currently Microsoft is pushing the WS-I standard, but it merge > with Liberty over the next year. I think there's a bigger chance of Liberty merging with Passport than the other way around. > For example, ebay uses passport, as does InstallShield, USA Today, ESPN, > etc.. but even if it was only MS, that's still a *LOT* of sites. Do any non-MSFT sites *require* passport for authentication? Sure, sites with money to burn will add optional support for it, but they can easily drop that support for lack of interest. SignatureMake that pile of digital photos presentable: http://ourdoings.com/ It's quicker and easier than you think. > > Well Passport has essentially been failure from the beginning. When > > Microsoft introduced Hailstorm services (ie My services.net) business [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Hailstorm failed because there really wasn't a business case to justify it. > Passport, while not a resounding success, isn't a failure. Hailstorm failed because businesses and consumers rejected. The financial community approached Sun asked them to develop more open single-signon solution. Businesses were not comfortable that a single entity or company would store information on a single platform. It's used by > more than just MS sites, but that list is rather limited. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I think there's a bigger chance of Liberty merging with Passport than the > other way around. No, Microsoft is no longer pushing Passport as it's single sign-on solution. What will proably happen is that Liberty and WS-I will merge. >>> Well Passport has essentially been failure from the beginning. When >>> Microsoft introduced Hailstorm services (ie My services.net) business [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> Hailstorm failed because there really wasn't a business case to justify it. >> Passport, while not a resounding success, isn't a failure. > Hailstorm failed because businesses and consumers rejected. The > financial community approached Sun asked them to develop more open > single-signon solution. Businesses were not comfortable that a single > entity or company would store information on a single platform. > It's used by You seem to be confusing Hailstorm with Passport. They're not the same thing. As such, how can one take your analysis when you don't even understand this difference? Hailstorm was simply a collection of "for pay" Web services, which have nothing to do with single sign on. >> I think there's a bigger chance of Liberty merging with Passport than the >> other way around. > > No, Microsoft is no longer pushing Passport as it's single sign-on > solution. What will proably happen is that Liberty and WS-I will > merge. I haven't seen MS offering any alternative to Passport, and they're still using it everywhere. > >>> Well Passport has essentially been failure from the beginning. When > >>> Microsoft introduced Hailstorm services (ie My services.net) business [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > I haven't seen MS offering any alternative to Passport, and they're still > using it everywhere. Microsoft is pushing single sign on as service as opposed to a Passport service (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=single+sign+on+site%3Amicrosoft.com). Earlier this year Microsoft had a WS-I interoperability pavillon. None of the vendors or Microsoft were showing Passport. >>>>> Well Passport has essentially been failure from the beginning. When >>>>> Microsoft introduced Hailstorm services (ie My services.net) business [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Earlier this year Microsoft had a WS-I interoperability pavillon. None > of the vendors or Microsoft were showing Passport. That's local single-sign on, for enterprise. Not single-sign on for e-commerce. That's a service that runs locally and authenticates against your own credential databases (AD, LDAP, etc..) rather than a single sign-on that allows you to go to different sites and login once. > >>>>> Well Passport has essentially been failure from the beginning. When > >>>>> Microsoft introduced Hailstorm services (ie My services.net) business [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > your own credential databases (AD, LDAP, etc..) rather than a single > sign-on that allows you to go to different sites and login once. WS-I and or other single-sign on solutions are not solution solution specific. They can be used for both enterprise and e-commerce. > Microsoft introduced Hailstorm services (ie My services.net) business > rejected it. Today Passport is used for Microsoft sites only even their > own employees disdain the use of passport. I am a business major. > I think IBM had been thinking of joining Liberty. On the otherhand they > were holding off to gain a strategic advantage over Sun. A lot of this [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > embracing the IT world. Hamilcar Barca <hamilcar@tld.always.invalid > wrote in message news:<20041021143554.737$VY@news.newsreader.com... You? Thinking? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! > Well currently Microsoft is pushing the WS-I standard, but it merge > with Liberty over the next year. But what? > Well Microsoft has proven this, but I think Sun is still a trusted > company Who told you to think? One can only hope that a universal solution comes to play, rahther than each IT major coming with its own identity management solution. > It seems that Microsoft may be slowly phasing away Passport, which had > been one of the hyped components of the eroded dotnet hype....bye bye, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > directory of sites using Passport is gone. Was there some press > release from Microsoft about Passport dying? Did I miss it?" Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. Simply choose a title, complete the application form and submit it. Read more ...
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