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Help for a one year fresher to enter the software industry
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mrnagrajan@yahoo.co.in - 14 Oct 2007 18:58 GMT Dear Freinds,
I am hoping a postive answer from this group. I have done my graduation currently and looking for a break in programming in C# or VB.NET with SQL Server. After graduation i joined a computer institute and did a one year course there. For first six months i was nearly taught nothing. But later some how i started to read things on my own. After one year i have started attending interviews. But the questions asked are so much out of topic sometimes. I can completed sample projects. What should i do because after one year i have come to know that questions in interviews are so different from actual projects.
For instance i was asked about SOA , damn it i have no idea about that stuff. I am also reading interview questions and answers from http://www.questpond.com but i am still not able to cope up.
Please help what approach should i take now. 1 year is a big time freinds.
Ralph - 14 Oct 2007 22:24 GMT > Dear Freinds, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Please help what approach should i take now. 1 year is a big time > freinds. Welcome to the real world. (You didn't mention what part of it. That might help. You may have to leave.)
Landing a first job with no employment experience is tough. Beyond the obvious -take a shower, clean your nails, and look interested - there is no simple answer.
You will be hired eventually because an employer thinks you can be a benefit for him and he likes you. Sometimes all you need is to be likeable. Do whatever you can to be likeable and appear useful.
For how to be likeable, getting some books, attending some emploment seminars, etc. may help. Researching as much as you can about the employer and the job will help you to appear useful.
Beyond that it is all BS, and gaming with a slightly irrational opponent in charge of the rules. But if you keep plugging it will happen. That's the positive.
-ralph
Pop` - 15 Oct 2007 00:31 GMT >> Dear Freinds, >> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > -ralph Lots of good advice in the two response so far. I second most everything they said.
That said, I'd like to add:
English apparently isn't your native language, so you should get used to using spell checks whenever you even come close to anything/anyone related to the job market.
To more fully grab interest of the readers, you should add such things as what degrees you have, in what, and where you earned them, along with any work blocks and/or part time jobs relevant to your goals that you had while you were in school.
It's tough to gain experience without a job, and tough to get a job without experience, but it's a catch-22 you can overcome with patience and perseverance. The comments so far about taking all the interviews you can get were good ones. The more interview experience the better you'll be prepared as you work you way through them all. Besides, you might just come across an entry level job you weren't expecting to find and if it has any advancement possibilities at all, it can be a good starting point for a first job. One thing I don't think was directly mentioned about sending out resumes is, try to write a cover letter specific for each industry you apply to. That gives you a chance to expose your goals and your work ethics, things that aren't part of the resume as a rule. Ideally a cover letter should only be one page long and do as good a job selling yourself as you can. Unless you're strapped for cash, don't instantly grab the first offer you receive. Most places will understand that you need to "think about it" for a week or so, giving you time to do more research and think about the overall prospects. But at the same time, don't overlook one that's just exactly what you want. A log book or notebook and some samples of your work are often handy at interviews too, even if they don't look at them. Just having them is an indicator of your preparedness.
And lastly, try to appear level-headed as possible, even when something seriously surprises you or excites you to no end<g>. Those who can see surprises and unexpected events as challenges are usually at the head of the line. And then, after all that, "Be Yourself" and show a strong work ethic.
Best of luck,
Pop`
asadikhan@gmail.com - 15 Oct 2007 00:04 GMT On Oct 14, 1:58 pm, mrnagra...@yahoo.co.in wrote:
> Dear Freinds, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Please help what approach should i take now. 1 year is a big time > freinds. Two Things.
Firstly, try to go through as many interviews as possible. Usually for every 15-20 resumes that you send out, you should expect a response of 1. And that is assuming your resume is in line with the job you are applying for. Keep a track of the jobs you are applying to, what skills are required, do you show case them in your interview, etc.
You don't have to have experience. But you have to know your stuff. So e.g. for SOA, try spending a few hours every day learning new technology. Read an article on WIKI about what SOA is. Then read about web services. Maybe try building, and consuming a web service in C#. Learn something new that you see on job listings, but you are not too sure or confident about.
Stop wasting your money and time going to institutes. At the end of the day, you will learn the most from your own practice.
Secondly, it is generally easier to get into a entry level QA or Application Support role than is to get into development. You need to have good communication skills though, so if you need, work on that as well. Again, go through as many interviews as possible. The more you get turned down, the harder you will become, and the better you will be at the next interview.
I got a job at Bell Canada (Customer Service) working as a Sales Rep selling TV channels to subscribers. I was making $10 an hour. I kept giving interviews and stayed sharp with my tech skills. I ended up getting a job as a Support Analyst with a Bank's IT firm next. I was making $16 an hour. I still kept updating my skills. I am now an Intermediate .Net developer with a multi national, making a lot more than that :)
Keep at it, you will find your way.
Alan T - 15 Oct 2007 02:16 GMT Hi,
So are you new a team leader? Do you write documentation? Do you sit any MCIT or other MS cert?
> Secondly, it is generally easier to get into a entry level QA or > Application Support role than is to get into development. You need to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Keep at it, you will find your way. PeterD - 15 Oct 2007 02:13 GMT >Dear Freinds, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Please help what approach should i take now. 1 year is a big time >freinds. I think I see your problem...
Where did you graduate from?
Michael C - 15 Oct 2007 02:53 GMT > Please help what approach should i take now. 1 year is a big time > freinds. 1 year is not a long time especially seeing you say you didn't learn anything for the first 6 months. Did you do any programming before this year? If not I wouldn't hire you with your current level of training. If this is your only experience then go back and do some more schooling. There are a lot of people trying to get into the IT industry with minimal expericence or training.
Michael
Steve Dassin - 15 Oct 2007 03:12 GMT > . > There are a lot of people trying to get into the IT industry with minimal > expericence or training. And they have succeeded.
www.beyondsql.blogspot.com
Michael C - 15 Oct 2007 03:35 GMT >> . >> There are a lot of people trying to get into the IT industry with minimal [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > www.beyondsql.blogspot.com You've been involved in IT for some time, right? The IT industry used to be so desperate for people they'd hire anyone. Now it requires a little more knowledge :-)
Michael
Michael C - 15 Oct 2007 03:51 GMT > You've been involved in IT for some time, right? The IT industry used to > be so desperate for people they'd hire anyone. Now it requires a little > more knowledge :-) Oops, I din't mean that to sound like it did :-) I started the same way and suspect I might have trouble getting in now if I tried with my initial experience.
> Michael asadikhan@gmail.com - 15 Oct 2007 05:19 GMT > > You've been involved in IT for some time, right? The IT industry used to > > be so desperate for people they'd hire anyone. Now it requires a little [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I won't suggest going back to school to this individual. The guy has already spent some hefty amounts I am sure. He needs to practice and hone his skills. I also won't say that I would not hire him given his current technical skills. Maybe he just needs to showcase what he knows better. I remember when I was starting out, I knew a lot, but I just didn't have enough interview experience, and I would get sweaty hands and be nervous.
You need to take all of this advice, see what you think are potential roadblocks for you, and work them out. Stick it out, take it easy, and have a strategy.
Asad
Steve Dassin - 15 Oct 2007 06:00 GMT > > You've been involved in IT for some time, right? The IT industry used to > > be so desperate for people they'd hire anyone. Now it requires a little [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > suspect I might have trouble getting in now if I tried with my initial > experience. Nah, I bet most people would be comfortable with the inference from the first response :)
Sure, just look into this forum for proof that you need a higher level of knowledge and understanding today than 10 years ago. It used to be when the smoke clears you could see what's really going on. But the ability to blow smoke exceeds the patience of waiting. So now the industry demands a higher level of knowledge for what is really nothing more than a blow job. Are you kidding me? Like Elvis, common sense seems to have left the building :-).
www.beyondsql.blogspot.com
Michael C - 15 Oct 2007 08:22 GMT > Nah, I bet most people would be comfortable with the inference from > the first response :) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > for what is really nothing more than a blow job. Are you kidding me? > Like Elvis, common sense seems to have left the building :-). Dunno, common sense seems to have settled in a little bit. Some of the people I used see get hired.....
Michael
Jan Hyde (VB MVP) - 15 Oct 2007 09:08 GMT mrnagrajan@yahoo.co.in's wild thoughts were released on Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:58:47 -0700 bearing the following fruit:
>Dear Freinds, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Please help what approach should i take now. 1 year is a big time >freinds. Be prepared to take a low paid trainee position. Getting some experience is more importany initially than the wage.
-- Jan Hyde
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Jan.Hyde
Jack Vamvas - 15 Oct 2007 11:44 GMT Some helpful tips
http://www.itjobfeed.com/secrets-of-getting-an-IT-job.asp
> Dear Freinds, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Please help what approach should i take now. 1 year is a big time > freinds. MikeB - 15 Oct 2007 12:38 GMT s'pose no one thinks the cadence of the vernacular of the OP is pretty close to the opening Paragraph of the link.....
> Dear Freinds, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Please help what approach should i take now. 1 year is a big time > freinds. Michael C - 16 Oct 2007 01:35 GMT > s'pose no one thinks the cadence of the vernacular of the OP is pretty > close to the opening Paragraph of the link..... Dunno, I didn't click any links.
Michael
Lorin - 16 Oct 2007 17:06 GMT I hire people. The first thing I look for is practical experience. Fresh out of school is not what I need. I know people who graduated Cum Laude that could not design anything; all talk and no creativity. Their brains can spit stuff back, but they cannot think. So how do you get experience? Legitimately, create your own as I did when I started out. Pick a specific profession where you want to excel. Then buy whatever is needed and create at home. e.g. want to be a website developer? Then develop websites at home and put them on the net for all to see. A potential employer will see that you really can do it. Make a portfolio of things you have developed showing practical experience. In my case, I designed and built electronics. I had a folder with my designs that I showed around. It worked for me. Now I pump out software apps.
Demonstrate your creative capabilities.
P.S. Not hiring right now.
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