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.NET Forum / .NET Framework / New Users / July 2007Limit of C# versus languages like Java?
There's tons of articles on the net that say that java works on solaris, windows, mac etc. Does this mean Microsoft's C# is limited to Windows? But if not, what limits does it have? Would everyone need the .NET Redist. to run WEB applications? Is it any faster? Hello Albert, A> There's tons of articles on the net that say that java works on A> solaris, windows, mac etc. Does this mean Microsoft's C# is limited A> to A> Windows? No, it's not. There are several opensource .NET FW for the nix and macOs like Mono or ROTOR. A> But if not, what limits does it have? They are slightly different from the MS FW and are step back from the latest .NET FW features. For example MONO is only starting supports .NET 2.0/3.0 FW features A> Would everyone need the .NET Redist. to run WEB applications? Only on the server, where ASP.NET hosted A> Is it any faster? Over what? --- WBR, Michael Nemtsev [C# MVP]. My blog: http://spaces.live.com/laflour Team blog: http://devkids.blogspot.com/ "The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it" (c) Michelangelo > A> There's tons of articles on the net that say that java works on > A> solaris, windows, mac etc. Does this mean Microsoft's C# is limited [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > No, it's not. There are several opensource .NET FW for the nix and macOs > like Mono or ROTOR. Not quite. There are several open source common language runtimes. That's not the same as ".NET frameworks" - .NET is Microsoft's implementation of the CLI spec, along with extra libraries. .NET contains more than what's required for a CLR - and many if not most programs designed to run on .NET will require some of those features. I realise you acknowledged some of this in the rest of your post, but I felt it was worth highlighting the difference between "CLR" and ".NET". <snip> > A> Is it any faster? > > Over what? Java, presumably - and the answer is "Yes, in some situations - and no in some other situations". My experience is that Java and .NET are largely equal in performance, but some situations will favour one platform and some will favour the other.  SignatureJon Skeet - <skeet@pobox.com> http://www.pobox.com/~skeet Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/jon.skeet If replying to the group, please do not mail me too > > A> There's tons of articles on the net that say that java works on > > A> solaris, windows, mac etc. Does this mean Microsoft's C# is limited [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Jon Skeet - <s...@pobox.com>http://www.pobox.com/~skeet Blog:http://www.msmvps.com/jon.skeet > If replying to the group, please do not mail me too Will I need to create my own web server to host my own site if I'm using C# along with ASP.NET? Because I've got a site from my gmail account that's free. How would I be able to incorporate the .NET code into that? For that issue, I'm considering making a Java Applet. However, the java kit isn't 'dragging and dropping' buttons and making event handlers. In other words, I want to use ASP.NET using the Web Developer Express with C# which would be easier than Java but it might be rather troublesome putting it onto my google page unless I created or borrowed my friend's web server. > Will I need to create my own web server to host my own site if I'm > using C# along with ASP.NET? Because I've got a site from my gmail > account that's free. To use ASP.NET you would indeed have to have an appropriate web server. There are commercial hosting options, however. > How would I be able to incorporate the .NET code > into that? For that issue, I'm considering making a Java Applet. > However, the java kit isn't 'dragging and dropping' buttons and making > event handlers. Well, that's a different matter - that's writing *client-side* code. There are ways of doing that in .NET too - in particular, have a look at Silverlight 1.1. > In other words, I want to use ASP.NET using the Web Developer Express > with C# which would be easier than Java but it might be rather > troublesome putting it onto my google page unless I created or > borrowed my friend's web server. What's the bigger picture here? Are you looking to learn a server technology, or do you just want to accomplish a particular web site goal? SignatureJon Skeet - <skeet@pobox.com> http://www.pobox.com/~skeet Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/jon.skeet If replying to the group, please do not mail me too > > Will I need to create my own web server to host my own site if I'm > > using C# along with ASP.NET? Because I've got a site from my gmail [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Jon Skeet - <s...@pobox.com>http://www.pobox.com/~skeet Blog:http://www.msmvps.com/jon.skeet > If replying to the group, please do not mail me too I'm looking for the 'best' way to create a computer program for the Victorian Science Talent Search (in Australia). I feel that I need to talk to people about the factors into deciding the programming language and tools to achieve that goal. The past two times I entered STS in Computer Programs - Games and Simulations, I created simple simulations along with a tutorial on the general science topic that I decided on using Visual C# Express Edition (a Windows application). Now, I reckon I can move away from standalone programs to ones on the Web, for a main but very convincing advantage that you need to worry less about the UI and let the browser shape that and that it is easier to make it 'portable'. I want to enter STS next year but I'm getting bored of C# standalone applications. > I'm looking for the 'best' way to create a computer program for the > Victorian Science Talent Search (in Australia). I feel that I need to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > to make it 'portable'. I want to enter STS next year but I'm getting > bored of C# standalone applications. Well, I'd start off by experimenting with ASP.NET on your own box - I'm sure you can find somewhere to host it later on if you need to. SignatureJon Skeet - <skeet@pobox.com> http://www.pobox.com/~skeet Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/jon.skeet If replying to the group, please do not mail me too > > I'm looking for the 'best' way to create a computer program for the > > Victorian Science Talent Search (in Australia). I feel that I need to [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Jon Skeet - <s...@pobox.com>http://www.pobox.com/~skeet Blog:http://www.msmvps.com/jon.skeet > If replying to the group, please do not mail me too Does ASP.NET only work on Windows? > > Well, I'd start off by experimenting with ASP.NET on your own box - I'm > > sure you can find somewhere to host it later on if you need to. > > Does ASP.NET only work on Windows? See http://www.mono-project.com/ASP.NET SignatureJon Skeet - <skeet@pobox.com> http://www.pobox.com/~skeet Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/jon.skeet If replying to the group, please do not mail me too > > I'm looking for the 'best' way to create a computer program for the > > Victorian Science Talent Search (in Australia). I feel that I need to [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Jon Skeet - <s...@pobox.com>http://www.pobox.com/~skeet Blog:http://www.msmvps.com/jon.skeet > If replying to the group, please do not mail me too Can ASP.NET itself create graphics, simulation, animation? Or is it just an 'extension' to web pages that allows it to be more 'dynamic' or 'interactive'? Because I don't want to have to learn DirectX or install a heap of extensions just to get going. The advantage of Java is that you can directly code graphics and user interfaces, you just need the defined classes and it all comes in one package, the NetBeans IDE. However, it's considerably harder and longer since you can't 'click and drag' As said in an other response this is the part of the .NET framework that provides an infrastructure for web applications and that finally renders HTML, CSS, Javascript code to the browser (you could do simple anitmations with this). Depends the kind of animation you want to do but you could use Flash, Silverlight, WPF, DirectX etc.. depending on your needs. IMO your best bet is to google a bit before going back here to post unresolved questions you may still have then.... For ASP.NET see : http://quickstarts.asp.net/QuickStartv20/aspnet/Default.aspx For SilverLight : http://silverlight.net/ For Flash : http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/ For WPF : http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/netframework/aa663326.aspx -- Patrice >> > I'm looking for the 'best' way to create a computer program for the >> > Victorian Science Talent Search (in Australia). I feel that I need to [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > IDE. However, it's considerably harder and longer since you can't > 'click and drag' > Hello Albert, > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > "The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we > miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it" (c) Michelangelo Sorry, but what do you mean by 'only on the server'? I don't know a great deal about networking other than it is usually dry and I should know more than I currently do. Does it mean that if I ran Internet Explorer and directed it to my site that I would need the Framework? ASP.NET is a server side technology and is the part of .NET that provides an infrastructure for common web programming tasks. As it runs server side you don't need the framework client side to be able to *browse* an ASP.NET site (that finally just sends HTML, CSS, javascript to the browser). --- Patrice >> Hello Albert, >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > know more than I currently do. Does it mean that if I ran Internet > Explorer and directed it to my site that I would need the Framework?
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