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Hello, Am I allowed to create comercial applications using .NET Framework SDK? (or Visual Studio .NET 2003 from MSDN AA?) Best Regards, Łukasz yes  SignatureRegards John Timney ASP.NET MVP Microsoft Regional Director > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Best Regards, > £ukasz > yes _*Both*_ in .NET Framework SDK and in VS .NET (from MSDN AA)? yes SignatureIf you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy, throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real grenade at them. Jack Handey. >> yes > > _*Both*_ in .NET Framework SDK and in VS .NET (from MSDN AA)? if you have other question like this one the answer is: yes - yes - yes with the following exceptions: - you can't use rotor to build commercial application - you can't ship the .NET 2 beta 2 in your application (but you can sign go-live and let the user download them) SignatureIf you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy, throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real grenade at them. Jack Handey. >> yes > > _*Both*_ in .NET Framework SDK and in VS .NET (from MSDN AA)? > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Best Regards, > £ukasz As an MSDNAA Administrator, I have to disagree with the other responses in regard to software acquired through MSDNAA. Specifically, in the MSDNAA EULA: "1.5 "Use" shall mean the non-commercial use of the Software by Faculty, Staff, and/or Students solely to: (a) develop, support, and conduct educational classes, labs, or related programs offered by Qualified Educational User which have been approved for participation in the MSDN Academic Alliance Program and that have the purpose of instructing and/or training Students to develop and use the Software; (b) conduct non-commercial research projects utilizing the Software (note: research done on behalf of the National Science Foundation or the U.S. Government qualifies as "non-commercial" research); and/or (c) design, develop, test, and demonstrate software applications or hardware that work in conjunction with the Software only for the purposes as listed in Section 1.5(a) or 1.5(b). "Use" of any Software under Section 1.5(a) shall be limited to instructing and training Students to use such Software, any other Software available under the MSDN Academic Alliance Program, and any software developed during such class, lab, or related program. "Use" under this Amendment shall not include the use of the Software for general business purposes other than by Qualified Educational User's employees engaged in support and user support of the Software and the management of compliance with the MSDN Academic Alliance Program. If a Student creates a software program resulting from the proper Use of the Software consistent with this Section 1.5, then such Student may commercially use and/or sell such software program upon the purchase of, and adherence to the terms and conditions of, a retail license of the applicable Software used to create such software program." For the entire EULA, look here: http://www.msdnaa.net/EULA/NA/English.aspx#amendment SignaturePeter [MVP Visual Developer] Jack of all trades, master of none. >>Hello, >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > http://www.msdnaa.net/EULA/NA/English.aspx#amendment Thanks for your answer. I have 2 more questions: 1) Can I build commercial applications using only .NET Framework SDK? (even if it's installed with VS .NET (from MSDN AA)) 2) Can I create commercial application using VS .NET (from MSDN AA) - I mean only source code, and then compile it from command prompt using .NET Framework SDK tools (csc.exe, vbc.exe, ...)? Best Regards, Łukasz Actually Peter is probably right, but the licencing around the SDK in this instance is very unclear given its a free download outside of MSDN anyway. Given that your apps will run in the free .net runtime - not the sdk (or vs.net) its a questionable debate as it would imply two licence models to one piece of software. If you use the SDK (outside of MSDN) then its not going to be an issue. SignatureRegards John Timney ASP.NET MVP Microsoft Regional Director >>>Hello, >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Best Regards, > £ukasz It's also not very fair and although you could always build the final release manuall with NAnt, it could be argued in court that you've used VS.NET all along. On top of that VS.NET2005 will cost only 300$.... SignatureIf you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy, throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real grenade at them. Jack Handey. >> >>>Hello, [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Best Regards, > £ukasz > Thanks for your answer. I have 2 more questions: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Best Regards, > £ukasz Beyond showing you the MSDNAA EULA and quoting the pertinent part, I'm not going to try interpretations. I suggest you contact Microsoft by phone and ask your questions. I am neither a Microsoft employee nor an attorney. SignaturePeter [MVP Visual Developer] Jack of all trades, master of none. Peter, Correct, in my opinion is it good to add again that your given answers were (regarding as you wrote) only about the MSDNAA part of the question. If you have another idea, please correct me. Cor > Peter, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cor Absolutely! I was not trying to address the OP's question about the SDK at all. I was addressing his Visual Studio .NET acquired through an MSDNAA membership. The MSDNAA EULA is quite clear regarding acceptable use of the software. SignaturePeter [MVP Visual Developer] Jack of all trades, master of none. John Timney (ASP.NET MVP) wrote: > If you use the SDK (outside of MSDN) then its not going to be an issue. > I was not trying to address the OP's question about the SDK at > all. That is my last question (sorry but my English isn't so good as I'd like it to be, and now (after such many answers) I'm a little confused): Using VS .NET I can only make freeware applications, and if I want to make comercial applications I have to write it manually in e.g. notepad (not VS .NET) and compile from command prompt with .NET SDK. - Is that right or not? Best Regards Łukasz The terms of your licence probably restrict you from using vs.net to create commercial apps - that could still be a freeware app if its used commercially. As Peter suggests, phone your local MSDN contact and check your licence out.. You can use the SDK and notepad. Regards John Timney ASP.NET MVP Microsoft Regional Director > John Timney (ASP.NET MVP) wrote: > > If you use the SDK (outside of MSDN) then its not [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Best Regards > £ukasz Hi Łukasz, If you have the Academic Edition of Visual Studio.Net, then yes, you are not allowed to make commercial applications or make any kind of profit of what you create with it. For any other edition I don't think you are prohibited to make commercial applications, but you might want to check with microsoft first if you are uncertain. SignatureHappy coding! Morten Wennevik [C# MVP]
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