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Entry Level Learning C# Hampered Greatly By Wrong Search Engine

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Tom - 21 Mar 2008 11:16 GMT
Perhaps a year or so ago and for some reason I don't fully recollect
(perhaps from reading a comparison article or installing a toolbar) I
made "Yahoo" my default search engine. Over the past several months I
have spent numerous hours searching for various C# topics when I got
"stuck" in my entry level learning process. Then I recently read in
another online coding sight to be sure to "Google" before posting ...
because my question may have already been answered. So Google I did
and the differences in search depth are amazing. I still don't find
the perfect article for my specific issue more times than not ... but
the quality of the articles I do find are much closer and in much
greater detail than what I was finding in Yahoo.

Google seems to be at least an order of magnitude better than what I
was using. Perhaps I should explore some of the composite search
engines?

What are your favorite search methods for programming topics?

Yep, I feel dumb for having not previously spent the time to compare
search results ... but maybe this posting will help another newb to
not make the same mistake.

-- Tom
christery@gmail.com - 21 Mar 2008 13:33 GMT
> Yep, I feel dumb for having not previously spent the time to compare
> search results ... but maybe this posting will help another newb to
> not make the same mistake.
>
> -- Tom

heh, i use all the search oporunitys, like alltheweb... altavisata is
one other.... or astalavista for those who want some wiri...

//CY
Ben Voigt [C++ MVP] - 21 Mar 2008 14:59 GMT
> Perhaps a year or so ago and for some reason I don't fully recollect
> (perhaps from reading a comparison article or installing a toolbar) I
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> What are your favorite search methods for programming topics?

I use google almost exclusively.  Even when I'm already on MSDN and want
results on MSDN, google search is both faster and better than the Microsoft
search.

> Yep, I feel dumb for having not previously spent the time to compare
> search results ... but maybe this posting will help another newb to
> not make the same mistake.
>
> -- Tom
ignacio machin - 21 Mar 2008 15:43 GMT
> > Perhaps a year or so ago and for some reason I don't fully recollect
> > (perhaps from reading a comparison article or installing a toolbar) I
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> results on MSDN, google search is both faster and better than the Microsoft
> search.

Same here, google is the best, period
Arne Vajhøj - 22 Mar 2008 01:50 GMT
>> I use google almost exclusively.  Even when I'm already on MSDN and want
>> results on MSDN, google search is both faster and better than the Microsoft
>> search.
>
> Same here, google is the best, period

+1

Arne
clintonG - 22 Mar 2008 04:04 GMT
Improve search using the site: filter with Microsoft Live Search or Google.
Use Microsoft's keywords such as: overview --or-- what's new submitted to a
known domain where information may then be retrieved.

overview c# site:msdn2.microsoft.com

overview what's new asp.net site:msdn2.microsoft.com

Note the most up to date documentation is now at msdn2. O'Reilly published a
book of Google Hacks which are for the most part also supported by Live
Search.

Personally, I think Google has created the largest land fill in the history
of mankind. Once past the first page information rapidly becomes nebulous.
Using a known domain with filters is not even really search, it is
information retrieval which is why it appears to be so fast and useful.

Once you understand that the Google smoke and mirrors is a trade secret they
are eventual going to be compelled to disclose as Microsoft just has you can
learn how search works conceptually by using the search term: computational
linguistics. Root around the university libraries.

<%= Clinton Gallagher

>>> I use google almost exclusively.  Even when I'm already on MSDN and want
>>> results on MSDN, google search is both faster and better than the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Arne
clintonG - 22 Mar 2008 04:07 GMT
Improve search using the site: filter with Microsoft Live Search or Google.
Use Microsoft's keywords such as: overview --or-- what's new submitted to a
known domain where information may then be retrieved.

overview c# site:msdn2.microsoft.com

overview what's new asp.net site:msdn2.microsoft.com

Note the most up to date documentation is now at msdn2. O'Reilly published a
book of Google Hacks which are for the most part also supported by Live
Search.

Personally, I think Google has created the largest land fill in the history
of mankind. Once past the first page information rapidly becomes nebulous.
Using a known domain with filters is not even really search, it is
information retrieval which is why it appears to be so fast and useful.

Once you understand that the Google smoke and mirrors is a trade secret they
are eventual going to be compelled to disclose as Microsoft just has you can
learn how search works conceptually by using the search term: computational
linguistics. Root around the university libraries.

<%= Clinton Gallagher

>>> I use google almost exclusively.  Even when I'm already on MSDN and want
>>> results on MSDN, google search is both faster and better than the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Arne
Arne Vajhøj - 22 Mar 2008 04:24 GMT
> Personally, I think Google has created the largest land fill in the history
> of mankind. Once past the first page information rapidly becomes nebulous.

As you have read then other have different experience.

> Using a known domain with filters is not even really search, it is
> information retrieval which is why it appears to be so fast and useful.

I my book there are enough pages at microsoft.com to calling it
search when limiting to that domain.

Arne
Chris Shepherd - 24 Mar 2008 18:45 GMT
> I use google almost exclusively.  Even when I'm already on MSDN and want
> results on MSDN, google search is both faster and better than the Microsoft
> search.

Indeed. Usually you can stick "MSDN" (much shorter than
"site:msdn2.microsoft.com") into your query and you get the exact page you want.

I'm actually amazed more people don't use Google. It's like it's a well-known
"secret" that they're the fastest (and 9 times out of 10 most accurate) game in
the business.

Chris.

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