> then you have people like yourself defending it.
> They are. But there are a number of people here who do the bulk of the
> helping, and Lasse is one of them. Those people can get frustrated when
> people seem to be taking advantage of their generosity.
I don't know Lasse, I never said hey Lasse can you tell me how to do this?
I posted a simple question with a yes/no answer. Thats it, very simple.
> Even so, I found Lasse's post to be quite well-tempered and
> even-mannered. I'd hardly call it rude or offensive.
Of course you wouldn't because thats how you speak to others yourself. How
can you see something wrong when you do the same yourself. Do as I say
and not as I do.
Sound familiar?
> Again, you should calm down and look for the truth in what was written.
> If you're going to go complaining about rudeness, the first thing you need
> to do is make sure you haven't been rude yourself. If you look at things
You are right, I was being rude by asking a simple question. People I am a
rude
person.
> If you say so. My point was to try to illustrate how you could have
> handled his response better than posting an abusive rant. If that's a
Okay, you are trying to tell me how to handle my response. I don't see
anywhere
where are saying Lasse, you should have just said yes or no, you could have
handled it better Lasse. If Lasse had said to me FU, and try it yourself.
Your
response would have been the same.
> Ironically, Ignacio's post was pretty much the same, except that he didn't
> offer the additional advice as to how you could be perceived as being less
The difference there is he did not act like someone with no upbringing and
decided to speak in whatever tone he wanted. I bet you money if Lasse was
in my face he would NEVER!!! respond to me like that. He would simply
say yes you can, or no you cannot. Being on the computer behind the scenes
seems to give people reasons to be disrespectful whenever they want. And
you
always have someone who defends it.
Sounds familiar?
> Actually, I see it as a sign of the times that people seem defenseless,
> unable to do things on their own, asking questions for every little thing
Believe me I am not in the slightest way defenseless. Anyway I am done
with this, I have other things to do like maybe post some more foolish
questions
later because I am too defenseless and need someone to hold my hand hehe.
Peter Duniho - 24 Jan 2008 00:25 GMT
> I don't know Lasse, I never said hey Lasse can you tell me how to do
> this?
Yes, you did. When you posted your question to a public newsgroup that
he's known to read, you did.
The fact that you didn't direct your question straight at him is
irrelevant.
> I posted a simple question with a yes/no answer. Thats it, very simple.
And Lasse offered very specific advice as to how you could not only get an
answer to your question, but how you could avoid looking like you're just
wasting people's time in the future.
>> Even so, I found Lasse's post to be quite well-tempered and
>> even-mannered. I'd hardly call it rude or offensive.
>
> Of course you wouldn't because thats how you speak to others yourself.
It's true, Lasse's comment didn't sound a lot different from something I'd
say myself. So?
You are being overly sensitive, and frankly extremely arrogant to continue
to believe that there was absolutely nothing wrong with your own behavior
in spite of two different people suggesting there was.
> Okay, you are trying to tell me how to handle my response.
I'm trying to offer advice, yes. You seem too defensive to accept it, but
it's there nonetheless.
> I don't see anywhere
> where are saying Lasse, you should have just said yes or no, you could
> have
> handled it better Lasse.
Why should I have? You're the one who's clearly posting in anger. What
point is there in criticizing someone who's just trying to help you?
> If Lasse had said to me FU, and try it yourself.
> Your response would have been the same.
Now you're engaged in lying. Do you really think that's the behavior of a
mature, polite individual?
> The difference there is he did not act like someone with no upbringing
> and
> decided to speak in whatever tone he wanted.
I'm sorry. I didn't realize you had the voice option enabled on your
newsreader.
How, exactly, was it that you determined what "tone" it was in which Lasse
was "speaking"? Did he actually call you on the phone and read his post
to you himself?
Again, you are blowing this way out of proportion and reading way too much
into his post.
> I bet you money if Lasse was
> in my face he would NEVER!!! respond to me like that.
I'd take that bet. Frankly, I see that sort of comment all the time, but
the fact is for the most part people write the same words that they would
say.
What _would_ be different is that you would have heard his actual tone,
rather than inferring the worst-case scenario yourself.
Another sign of an immature or impolite individual is their inability to
give someone the benefit of the doubt. Which is exactly what you're doind
right now.
> He would simply say yes you can, or no you cannot.
I'd bet he'd tell you to go try it yourself, just as he did here.
> Being on the computer behind the scenes
> seems to give people reasons to be disrespectful whenever they want.
Well, it certainly seems to have given _you_ the feeling that you can be
disrespectful whenever you want.
Be careful not to project your own personality onto others though. Not
everyone thinks or acts the same way you do. Just because you're being
disrespectful, that doesn't mean everyone else is.
> And you always have someone who defends it.
>
> Sounds familiar?
Nope. I'm certainly not defending your disrespectful behavior, if that's
what you mean.
> Believe me I am not in the slightest way defenseless.
Really? Then why did you post the question? Why are you so helpless that
you need someone else to tell you whether some proposed idea you have
would work or not?
Frankly, I think both replies were about as helpful as you could have
expected, and they both basically said "try it". You've gotten upset over
nothing. If nothing else, that's just not good for your health.
Pete
Lasse Vågsæther Karlsen - 25 Jan 2008 09:53 GMT
>> They are. But there are a number of people here who do the bulk of the
>> helping, and Lasse is one of them. Those people can get frustrated when
>> people seem to be taking advantage of their generosity.
>
> I don't know Lasse, I never said hey Lasse can you tell me how to do this?
> I posted a simple question with a yes/no answer. Thats it, very simple.
The problem is that the question could be answered by you, with your
compiler.
I don't understand why you think it's a big deal that I told you to do
that. Yes, I understand you feel offended by the way I worded my
original post, and I apologize for that.
However, you still need to work out the answer to your question. Nothing
in this thread makes me feel even slightly more inclined to tell you
what the answer to your question is.
If you have a more specific question, like "Why doesn't XML
serialization write out a value for my Color properties to the xml
file", then I would answer because you've clearly tried the code, and
still can't figure it out.
> The difference there is he did not act like someone with no upbringing and
> decided to speak in whatever tone he wanted. I bet you money if Lasse was
> in my face he would NEVER!!! respond to me like that. He would simply
I think you should leave it to "I don't know Lasse". Ask any of my
collegues, I am like that. If you spend time asking me a question I'm
going to demand that beforehand you've spent time trying it yourself and
coming up short. My time is valuable and while I'm not going to demand
payment for it, I'm going to demand that you "pay" by spending time not
imposing on it. I'm assuming (and maybe this was where I went wrong)
that this goes for most people on this (and other) newsgroup.
Just to conclude my answers to this thread and then I'm going to leave
it: Your *first* reaction to a code problem should never be to ask
someone else. Your *first* reaction should be to try it.

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Keon - 25 Jan 2008 15:41 GMT
Lasse,
I do apologize myself for being a bit sensitive. But at the moment
when I posted the question, I was not at a pc to actually try it. I
wanted to store those settings from an app and read it back in.
But I was thinking to myself it could not be that easy, because as
far as I remember, you always had to store font and color settings
as 0XFF etc in a hex format.
I did try looking to see what the color would look like when you
do a ToString() on the colordialog. But when I saw something like
"ColorDialog [Green]" I was thinking that is not going to work. I
still have not tried reading the value back into a colordialog to see
if it actually works.
So really there is no urgency, I just wanted to know if this is actually
going to work like that?
Plus before I post any questions I pull up the help file and do a search
to see what I can find. Because I know someone before me had already
asked the same question.
Lasse, thanks again for your help.
Sometimes its tough when I see and hear people at work being spoken to
like idiots. I respect and laugh and joke with everyone no matter if I am
in a
good mood or not. That is until someone decides to disrespect me, which is
very rare because I don't put up with it. So I mostly find myself standing
up
and defending others. It seems I am always telling others to treat others
the
way they want to be treated. I defend myself instantly, so I get the
respected
treatment. Being around a lot of really good managers I see how people
should
be treated, with great respect.
Pete wouldn't understand that.
As far as I am concerned this conversation is over. Lasse, I am sorry, I
apologize.
The End.
p.s. Pete, you can carry on if you want which I know you will.
Peter Duniho - 25 Jan 2008 19:11 GMT
> [...]
> Pete wouldn't understand that.
Your hypocrisy, while not surprising, is still impressive.
You are the only person in this thread to have made any personal insults.
Including the above. And yet you act as though you're the one taking the
high road, the person with the last word on treating people with respect.
It'd be funny, if it weren't so pitiful.
Pete