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.NET Forum / Languages / C# / November 2006VS2005 - 64bit - processor
All, General question. I am working on upgrading my system from a 3.2GHz P4 to something better. 1) Well switching to Windows XP Pro 64 bit cause me massive problem with VS? 2) Is the Xeon or Core 2 Duo processor group better. Regards, John Hello John, JH> General question. I am working on upgrading my system from a JH> 3.2GHz P4 to something better. Core Quadro? :) JH> 1) Well switching to Windows XP Pro 64 bit cause me massive problem JH> with VS? Not massive, you only need the 64bit version of .NET but I see the problem not in VS but in these all CTP and betas version that around us, like WPF/Orcas/LINQ and etc besides all other development stuff, that is not completly 64 bit ready --- WBR, Michael Nemtsev [C# MVP] :: blog: http://spaces.live.com/laflour "At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid." (c) Friedrich Nietzsche Thanks for the response Michael, > Hello John, > > JH> General question. I am working on upgrading my system from a > JH> 3.2GHz P4 to something better. > > Core Quadro? :) DROOL!!! > JH> 1) Well switching to Windows XP Pro 64 bit cause me massive problem > JH> with VS? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that around us, like WPF/Orcas/LINQ and etc > besides all other development stuff, that is not completly 64 bit ready Did not think about that, was more worried about the debugging the current application. If I recall the vertural PC runs 32 bit under 64 bit which would allow me to do testing and other odd things when needed, do you think? > --- > WBR, > Michael Nemtsev [C# MVP] :: blog: http://spaces.live.com/laflour > > "At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do > not cease to be insipid." (c) Friedrich Nietzsche Hello John, JH> Did not think about that, was more worried about the debugging the JH> current application. If I recall the vertural PC runs 32 bit under JH> 64 bit which would allow me to do testing and other odd things when JH> needed, do you think? Yep, that's exactly the solution that I used for a half of year, using AMD FX 64bit, but the fact that there are short of everyday's tools for 64bit platform and overwhelming number of apps need to be run under VPC fed me up completly and I switched to the 32 bit platform We use 64bit platforms in some of server stations but developer's once are 32bit --- WBR, Michael Nemtsev [C# MVP] :: blog: http://spaces.live.com/laflour "At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid." (c) Friedrich Nietzsche Michael, Thanks again... I was hoping to only run the VPC for testing which is what I do now. Guess I need to make a detailed list of what has a 64 bit version... Excluding drivers, did general 32 bit program run without issue on 64 bit. I guess my largest collection of programs would be Office 2003. Regards, John > Hello John, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > "At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do > not cease to be insipid." (c) Friedrich Nietzsche Hello John, JH> Excluding drivers, did general 32 bit program run without issue on JH> 64 bit. I guess my largest collection of programs would be Office JH> 2003. it should run well in WOW host, there are number of 32bit apps that works well in 64bit env, but in last year I've stumbled over such soft as Cisco VPN, RealPlayer, DiamondTool that didnt work at all. AFAIK now they do support 64bit --- WBR, Michael Nemtsev [C# MVP] :: blog: http://spaces.live.com/laflour "At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid." (c) Friedrich Nietzsche Michael, Thanks again... use the Cisco VNC & VPN sometimes but not the rest. Regards, John > Hello John, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > "At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do > not cease to be insipid." (c) Friedrich Nietzsche | Michael, | [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | Excluding drivers, did general 32 bit program run without issue on 64 bit. | I guess my largest collection of programs would be Office 2003. 32 bit programs run just fine, that is, they run as they would on a 32 bit OS, the only issue is with IA64 processors, here 32 bit apps. take a somewhat larger performance hit because of the WOM64 X86 emulator, X64 CPU's (AMD-64 and Intel EM64T)take a much smaller hit when runing 32 bit code on X64, and this only when transitioning into kernel code. Note that all Office applications (even 2007) are 32 bit, same for VS2005. That means that they run under WOM64, so you won't take any advantage running them on 64 bit. Only a set of utilities are available in a 32 and 64 bit version, that is, tools from the Framework directory is available as both 32 and 64 bit. The only advantage you have running a 64 bit OS, is that you can test the 64 bit applications you build on the same system, but you don't need a 64 bit OS to build 64 applications. A serious drawback (for me at least) is the lack of mixed mode debugging in VS2005 for 64 bit apps. Also keep in mind that 64 bit application have a larger memory footprint, don't be suprised to see them take up to 2X the workingset of the same 32 bit app, so be prepared to invest in RAM memory (I would suggest nothing less than 2GB - preferably 4GB). Willy. Willy, I was expecting the memory hit and was planning on 4 Gigs, I am having enough problems with 2 Gigs on the current system. For some reason by lunch I am accessing a zillion windows for different reasons and now running VPC and a couple remote dest tops for testing is killing me. VS2005 will still run 32bit, I was thinking it was CLR so would auto switch to 64 bit, real bummer. What do you mean by "Mixed mode debugging". If I build a application will not the debugger debug it? Regards, John > | Michael, > | [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Willy. | Willy, | [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | VS2005 will still run 32bit, I was thinking it was CLR so would auto switch | to 64 bit, real bummer. | What do you mean by "Mixed mode debugging". If I build a application will | not the debugger debug it? John, VS is written in C++ native code 32 bit, some of the designers are managed code, but as they are running inside VS they run as 32 bit too (well they are JIT compiled to X86). Mixed mode debugging is when you need to debug native code called from managed code. VS2005 cannot handle this when debugging 64bit applications. Only option for now is to use the Windows Debugging Tools like windbg and cdb. Willy. Willy, Thanks again... the "got you" list is getting longer it seems. Oh well went though the same mess with 16/32, all works itself out in the end :) Regards, John > | Willy, > | [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Willy. > 1) Well switching to Windows XP Pro 64 bit cause me massive problem with > VS? For the most part, things work just fine. There are some quirks with things now and then, but we build shrinkwrap software for x86, x64, and IA64, so we run into more quirks than most. In general, you'll be fine. > 2) Is the Xeon or Core 2 Duo processor group better. Well, the Core2 stuff is certainly cheaper. The AMD stuff is also excellent. I'm running a dual-core Athlon box with 4GB of memory and WinXP64. New from Dell about a month ago, that box was about $800. It's been great. -- Chris Mullins, MCSD.NET, MCPD:Enterprise http://www.coversant.net/blogs/cmullins Thanks Chris, will keep it in mind. >> 1) Well switching to Windows XP Pro 64 bit cause me massive problem with >> VS? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Chris Mullins, MCSD.NET, MCPD:Enterprise > http://www.coversant.net/blogs/cmullins I ran for a few weeks without issue. VS2005, SQL2005 and lots of ASP.NET (in general development work) but it was a single issue that caused me to return to 32 bit XP: the lack of a driver for my 2 year old Dell Laser Printer. -A > All, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Regards, > John Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. Simply choose a title, complete the application form and submit it. Read more ...
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