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MDB - 26 Feb 2008 12:37 GMT
Hello all, does anyone have any suggestions on mapping software to use?  I
am looking for a solution that allows me to pass parameters to it (i.e.
destination address) and then have it route to the address via a GPS link.
Another requirement I have is the maps have to reside on the device (SD
Card) and cannot come from a server and it would be nice to have the maps
broken down by city, state or region.  Does anyone know of anything out
there right now like this?
Paul G. Tobey [eMVP] - 26 Feb 2008 15:34 GMT
You're kidding right?  Every application that does this sort of operation is
going to use their own data, in their own format.  You're essentially asking
for the entire contents of a TomTom GPS that you can use to build a
competitor.

My understanding is that you can buy the maps for any particular part of the
world (you didn't specify), from companies that do just that (Navteq, for
example).  You'd then have to write some code to figure out a suitable route
from wherever you are to where you want to do, get some speech software to
give spoken directions, if that's desired, render the map data on the
screen, etc.  While there may be some online Web services that you could
use, since you want to distribute the maps, I think you're stuck with
building everything yourself.

Paul T.

> Hello all, does anyone have any suggestions on mapping software to use?  I
> am looking for a solution that allows me to pass parameters to it (i.e.
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> broken down by city, state or region.  Does anyone know of anything out
> there right now like this?
MDB - 26 Feb 2008 16:28 GMT
No I am not kidding; I don't think you understood my question. I am asking
for mapping software suggestions that have some type of "hook" that I can
pass an address to and it will route to that address.  I do not care what
kind of data they use or what format it is in.  The company I am currently
using has a command argument that I pass when executing their application
that does this however, they are no longer offering their services. I
realize I can write my own using navteq or teleatls but I do not want to do
this nor do I have the time to.

> You're kidding right?  Every application that does this sort of operation
> is going to use their own data, in their own format.  You're essentially
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>> maps broken down by city, state or region.  Does anyone know of anything
>> out there right now like this?
Paul G. Tobey [eMVP] - 26 Feb 2008 16:51 GMT
I've never heard of such an option on anything that's generally available
now.  The mapping/navigation software I use, Mapopolis, which is no longer
available (seems to be a pattern there), will do all of the standard sorts
of things (from current location, from contact address, to contact address,
to lat/long, etc.), but that's all entered through the UI of the
application.

I suppose that, for a given address, you could programmatically select the
right menu items and enter the address (send some WM_COMMAND messages to
select Navigation, Address, and then send the keys to 'type in' the address
that you want -- keybd_event(), then press the OK button).  You should be
able to do that with any mapping program, although each one would be
different, of course.  I think that this is probably your best bet
(automating the user interface).

Paul T.

> No I am not kidding; I don't think you understood my question. I am asking
> for mapping software suggestions that have some type of "hook" that I can
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>>> have the maps broken down by city, state or region.  Does anyone know of
>>> anything out there right now like this?
MDB - 26 Feb 2008 17:03 GMT
Mapopolis is who we are currently using too and unfortunately our users are
starting to complain about the accuracy of the maps so it has us looking for
a new solution.  Its too bad about Mapopolis because they were really nice
and offered everything we needed.

> I've never heard of such an option on anything that's generally available
> now.  The mapping/navigation software I use, Mapopolis, which is no longer
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>>>> have the maps broken down by city, state or region.  Does anyone know
>>>> of anything out there right now like this?
Paul G. Tobey [eMVP] - 26 Feb 2008 17:16 GMT
Have you tried asking them who is using their technology now?  When they got
out of the commercial business, they said that they were pursuing OEM
relationships with other companies.  Maybe there's something there that
would still use the Mapopolis engine and maybe even the command line.  I
suppose that they might license the latest maps and their software, if you
were a big enough customer...

Otherwise, I think that automating the UI of something else is your best
bet.

Paul T.

> Mapopolis is who we are currently using too and unfortunately our users
> are starting to complain about the accuracy of the maps so it has us
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>>>>> nice to have the maps broken down by city, state or region.  Does
>>>>> anyone know of anything out there right now like this?
MDB - 26 Feb 2008 17:29 GMT
Yes, we have been in close contact with them and were moving forward with
their new company however, it is appearing that their new solution will not
really work well on our handhelds (not enough memory) and is geared for
newer handhelds with WM5

> Have you tried asking them who is using their technology now?  When they
> got out of the commercial business, they said that they were pursuing OEM
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>>>>>> nice to have the maps broken down by city, state or region.  Does
>>>>>> anyone know of anything out there right now like this?
Paul G. Tobey [eMVP] - 26 Feb 2008 17:33 GMT
It's always something!

Paul T.

> Yes, we have been in close contact with them and were moving forward with
> their new company however, it is appearing that their new solution will
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>>>>>>> it would be nice to have the maps broken down by city, state or
>>>>>>> region.  Does anyone know of anything out there right now like this?
Ebbe Kristensen - 26 Feb 2008 17:32 GMT
> Mapopolis is who we are currently using too and unfortunately our
> users are starting to complain about the accuracy of the maps so it
> has us looking for a new solution.  Its too bad about Mapopolis
> because they were really nice and offered everything we needed.

You might take a look at Tomtom. Although their PDA-version is still at
version 6, there is an SDK for it:

http://www.tomtom.com/pro/index.php?Language=1

Ebbe
Christopher Fairbairn - 26 Feb 2008 21:49 GMT
Hi,

> I've never heard of such an option on anything that's generally available
> now.

TomTom and Destinator are two commerical products that I have utilised in
the past that provide an SDK for third party applications to intergrate
navigation functionality into your own applications. The functionality they
expose via their API is generally a little more restrictive than the
capabilities of their own application, but it's enough to geo-code an
address and get a route etc.

Typically the SDK is a free or reasonably cheap download, with the
requirement you license a copy of their navigation application per device.

Hope this helps,
Christopher Fairbairn
Paul G. Tobey [eMVP] - 26 Feb 2008 22:00 GMT
And does the SDK control the application itself, or do you have to embed the
functionality?

Paul T.

> Hi,
>
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> Hope this helps,
> Christopher Fairbairn
Christopher Fairbairn - 26 Feb 2008 22:08 GMT
Hi,

> And does the SDK control the application itself, or do you have to embed
> the functionality?

It's been a couple of years since I was last involved in doing this. From
memory it was more the fact that you could control their application from
within your own.

However the APIs provided mechanisms to remove menu options and features etc
that you didn't want users to utilise. The exact functionality depended upon
what the SDK provided and how much hacking you were prepared to develop. The
SDKs didn't expose enough flexability for my liking, but sometimes you could
work around it with a little hackery. The lack of SDK flexability is
understandable as you say to protect their own interests.

Thanks,
Christopher Fairbairn
Paul G. Tobey [eMVP] - 26 Feb 2008 22:15 GMT
Cool stuff.  That actually makes it more-likely that I'd replace Mapopolis
with one of those products.  That's why I carry a Windows Mobile phone and
not the Razr-of-the-week: if it's dumb, I can fix it!  Thanks for the info!

Paul T.

> Hi,
>
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> Thanks,
> Christopher Fairbairn
Christian Resma Helle - 26 Feb 2008 21:28 GMT
TomTom and Garmin provide SDK's for the functions that you mentioned

I wrote articles on how to integrate them with a .NET Compact Framework
application:
http://christian-helle.blogspot.com/2008/02/integrating-with-garmin-mobile-xt.html
http://christian-helle.blogspot.com/2007/06/integrating-with-tomtom-navigator.html

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Christian Resma Helle
http://christian-helle.blogspot.com

> Hello all, does anyone have any suggestions on mapping software to use?  I
> am looking for a solution that allows me to pass parameters to it (i.e.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> broken down by city, state or region.  Does anyone know of anything out
> there right now like this?
MDB - 27 Feb 2008 12:10 GMT
Thanks everyone for you suggestions / help.

> Hello all, does anyone have any suggestions on mapping software to use?  I
> am looking for a solution that allows me to pass parameters to it (i.e.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> broken down by city, state or region.  Does anyone know of anything out
> there right now like this?

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