Goodmorning,
within year-end I must buy some licences of Visual Study 2005, and I
cannot wait for the escape of Visual Study 2008... Someone knows if they
are available "promotions" or other that concur, with the purchase of
every licence of 2005, the successive upgrade to 2008? (obviously
comprised in the price and not paying the upgrade subsequently!)
Thanks
PvdG42 - 25 Sep 2007 15:02 GMT
> Goodmorning,
> within year-end I must buy some licences of Visual Study 2005, and I
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> comprised in the price and not paying the upgrade subsequently!)
> Thanks
There are none currently, AFAIK. As the release date for VS 2008, watch for
announcements.
You can also contact your local Microsoft office by phone and ask if they
have any information.
Alexey Smirnov - 25 Sep 2007 19:24 GMT
> Goodmorning,
> within year-end I must buy some licences of Visual Study 2005, and I
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> comprised in the price and not paying the upgrade subsequently!)
> Thanks
In principle, you can start with Beta 2 that includes a go-live
license, which allows developers to use it in production. Otherwise,
you have to buy VS 2005 because Visual Studio 2008 definitely will be
released some time in 2008. Microsoft told about the official launch
date on February 27, 2008, but it's not guaranteed to be available on
that time
Mark Rae [MVP] - 25 Sep 2007 19:31 GMT
> Visual Studio 2008 definitely will be released some time in 2008
Are you sure about that...?

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Alexey Smirnov - 25 Sep 2007 20:06 GMT
> > Visual Studio 2008 definitely will be released some time in 2008
>
> Are you sure about that...?
They wouldn't wait another year for that, this is for sure.
Mark Rae [MVP] - 25 Sep 2007 20:46 GMT
>> > Visual Studio 2008 definitely will be released some time in 2008
>>
>> Are you sure about that...?
>
> They wouldn't wait another year for that, this is for sure.
Sorry, was being slightly facetious...
Latest I've heard is that it will most probably be made available to large
corporates and MSDN subscribers (like Vista was) in December 2007 and then
to retail around February...

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Alexey Smirnov - 25 Sep 2007 20:59 GMT
> >> "Alexey Smirnov" <alexey.smir...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Mark Rae
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I have it already installed (Beta 2), it looks good. So, I think we
could expect RTM very soon
Mark Rae [MVP] - 25 Sep 2007 21:17 GMT
> I have it already installed (Beta 2), it looks good.
Yes indeed - I've been using it for a little while now as I'm assistingwith
a forthcoming book on ASP.NET 3.5...
I've got it running in a virtual machine, though - not taking any chances...
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Richard - 25 Sep 2007 21:49 GMT
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>I've got it running in a virtual machine, though - not taking any chances...
>;-)
After all the funny business the 2005 beta did to my laptop, I concur.
Never, ever, run MS beta software on a machine you can't afford to
wipe and scratch install.

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Mark Rae [MVP] - 25 Sep 2007 21:53 GMT
> Never, ever, run MS beta software on a machine you can't afford to
> wipe and scratch install.
That's just common sense - not just Microsoft beta software either...

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Richard - 25 Sep 2007 22:10 GMT
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"Mark Rae [MVP]" <mark@markNOSPAMrae.net> spake the secret code
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>> Never, ever, run MS beta software on a machine you can't afford to
>> wipe and scratch install.
>
>That's just common sense - not just Microsoft beta software either...
Apparently not common enough. I was encouraged to run VS.NET 2005
beta on the same machine as VS.NET 2003 by many people.

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Mark Rae [MVP] - 25 Sep 2007 22:22 GMT
>>That's just common sense - not just Microsoft beta software either...
>
> Apparently not common enough. I was encouraged to run VS.NET 2005
> beta on the same machine as VS.NET 2003 by many people.
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Alexey Smirnov - 25 Sep 2007 22:11 GMT
> > Never, ever, run MS beta software on a machine you can't afford to
> > wipe and scratch install.
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Well, many enterprises make it a point not to install anything until
the SP1 is released.
I have a client who is asking me to deliver ASP 2 (a classic one)
solution
Mark Rae [MVP] - 25 Sep 2007 22:22 GMT
> Well, many enterprises make it a point not to install anything until
> the SP1 is released.
Indeed.
> I have a client who is asking me to deliver ASP 2 (a classic one)
> solution
Wow! I normally say yes I'll do it, but it's my standard daily rate x 10
(not joking!)

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jp2code - 27 Sep 2007 15:20 GMT
This will probably make a lot of you mad on here, but I just *downgraded* my
websites from ASP.NET to Classic ASP.
Why?
1) The .NET Framework seems to be in a state of flux: Something written for
Version 1.1 will not run on servers using 2.0, 3.0, etc. This translates to
always having to go back and update the code that clients never seem to want
to pay for, and I have to go out there and buy the latest developer that can
handle it. In contrast, Classic ASP can be compared to Latin: It is no
longer a "spoken language" in the development world, yet it seems that every
server out there still understands it.
2) Servers running the latest versions of the Framework are generally more
expensive to rent space on than a server that does not tell you what it is
running or makes no guarantee of what it is running. Classic ASP doesn't
need the Framework, so my clients save monthly upkeep fees.
Why does Microsoft have to be so expensive? Actually, I know: It's all about
the money! Still, it would be nice if we could stick with something that
worked well and enjoy a comfort zone until it did *not* work.
Sorry. I'm rambling. I'll stop now.
> "Alexey Smirnov" wrote...
>
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> Wow! I normally say yes I'll do it, but it's my standard daily rate x 10
> (not joking!)
Ivan Ivanov - 04 Dec 2007 23:30 GMT
Yep
> > Visual Studio 2008 definitely will be released some time in 2008
>
> Are you sure about that...?
Mark Rae [MVP] - 04 Dec 2007 23:39 GMT
>> > Visual Studio 2008 definitely will be released some time in 2008
>>
>> Are you sure about that...?
> Yep
I got my copy on 19th November - didn't you...?

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Eliyahu Goldin - 05 Dec 2007 08:49 GMT
I think so far it is available only to MSDN subscribers.

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>>> > Visual Studio 2008 definitely will be released some time in 2008
>>>
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>
> I got my copy on 19th November - didn't you...?
Mark Rae [MVP] - 05 Dec 2007 09:21 GMT
>>>> > Visual Studio 2008 definitely will be released some time in 2008
>>>>
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>
>I think so far it is available only to MSDN subscribers.
Anyone can download the Express editions, or the 90-day trial version which
is functionally identical to the full release:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/products/aa700831.aspx

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