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.NET Forum / ASP.NET / General / January 2006Where are the 'web 2.0' .netters?
With all the web 2.0 hype out there, I'm finding that .net isn't playing much of a role. Nearly everything out there getting publicity is PHP or ROR based. Which leads me to the question: Anyone see some web 2.0-centric applications out there based on .net? -Darrel Darrel, The first one that comes to mind is DotNetNuke, www.dotnetnuke.com, which was converted to run on the 2.0 framework and released just days after 2.0 was released itself. And, of course, a lost of the microsoft sites (e.g. www.microsoft.com) are now running asp.net 2.0: http://blogs.gotdotnet.com/richarde/archive/2005/09/28/475193.aspx  SignatureSincerely, S. Justin Gengo, MCP Web Developer / Programmer www.aboutfortunate.com "Out of chaos comes order." Nietzsche > With all the web 2.0 hype out there, I'm finding that .net isn't playing > much of a role. Nearly everything out there getting publicity is PHP or [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -Darrel > The first one that comes to mind is DotNetNuke, www.dotnetnuke.com, which > was converted to run on the 2.0 framework and released just days after 2.0 > was released itself. Sorry, I was referring to 'web 2.0' not the 2.0 dotNetFramework. Web 2.0 being more of a buzzword than anything tangible, but tends to refer to web applications that take advantage of AJAX, use streamlined interfacess, opt for fewer features rather than more, use mimimalist visual presentation, combined with all the 'new' things getting buzz...rss, podcasting, wikis, tagging, etc. http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/tim/news/2005/09/30/what-is-web-20.html Some example sites: http://www.articledashboard.com/Article/Top-10-Innovative-Web-2-0-Applications-o f-2005/10891 -Darrel >Web 2.0 being more of a buzzword than anything tangible, but tends to refer >to web applications that take advantage of AJAX, use streamlined >interfacess, opt for fewer features rather than more, use mimimalist visual >presentation, combined with all the 'new' things getting buzz...rss, >podcasting, wikis, tagging, etc. Like: http://www.live.com/ and http://microsoftgadgets.com/ ? One Atlas firms up into a shipping product, I suspect the pace will pick up. -- Scott http://www.OdeToCode.com/blogs/scott/ > Like: > > http://www.live.com/ and http://microsoftgadgets.com/ ? Yea, though it'd be great to see more out there other than MS's own stuff. -Darrel I read an article in PC Mag and Maximum PC about web 2.0 (aka AJAX) -- similiar to ClickOnce with the exception it is supposed to run across more than Microsoft's OS. But I thought part of the draw to AJAX was that it could do a lot more graphically and provide a much better user interface experience similiar to the draw for ClickOnce. ClickOnce seems to have a more direct link with the OS and DirectX so it will be the more powerful technology of the two in terms of GUI and performance, but at the cost of single platform. The sooner we move away from the melting pot called "web development", the better -- what I really need is more focus on efficient distributed client side computing, what we have now is a hodge bodge drain on both client and server with inefficiencies at both ends and huge security issues (especially on the client side which opens the hole into the server side). The Interface should always be client side, data server side -- a classic efficient model that works. If Microsoft had a clue, they'd realize they need to get .NET framework out on Mac OS and Linux at the same time they get it out on Windows OS. Stop saying "that's too difficult" or "we don't have the resources" and get over yourselves and realize that if ya really wanna squash the competition get your tools ON the competitions platform. > With all the web 2.0 hype out there, I'm finding that .net isn't playing > much of a role. Nearly everything out there getting publicity is PHP or [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -Darrel > If Microsoft had a clue, they'd realize they need to get .NET framework > out on Mac OS and Linux at the same time they get it out on Windows OS. > Stop saying "that's too difficult" or "we don't have the resources" and > get over yourselves and realize that if ya really wanna squash the > competition get your tools ON the competitions platform. Well, I think that's a different discussion heading in a different direction. Web 2.0 seems to be all about the web as the client and network. Whereas it sounds like you are pushing for a more integreated thin client type of application. I think both are needed. -Darrel Darrel, Web, schmeb! MS was doing web 2.0 with Outlook Web Access back in 1999. There's plenty of Remote Scripting / AJAX / Web 2.0 stuff out there written with the .NET Platform. Peter SignatureCo-founder, Eggheadcafe.com developer portal: http://www.eggheadcafe.com UnBlog: http://petesbloggerama.blogspot.com > With all the web 2.0 hype out there, I'm finding that .net isn't playing > much of a role. Nearly everything out there getting publicity is PHP or ROR [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -Darrel > MS was doing web 2.0 with Outlook Web Access back in 1999. I agree. However, these days, you don't here '.net' mentioned much at all when talking of 'web 2.0' Which is a bit dissapointing as a web developer who uses .net ;o) > There's plenty of Remote Scripting / AJAX / Web 2.0 stuff out there > written > with the .NET Platform. Great! Examples? Any firms rolling out their Web2.0 venture-capital traps written in .net? -Darrel > Great! Examples? Any firms rolling out their Web2.0 venture-capital traps > written in .net? At the last company I contracted for - a small Hedge Fund software provider - we provided two of our clients with ASP.Net / AJAX implementions. Of course, when we started the project, before the hype and without knowledge that "AJAX" existed. We used it to provide screen reports of stock information in (near) real-time - positions, prices, buys, sells, etc. Really cool stuff. Joseph >> MS was doing web 2.0 with Outlook Web Access back in 1999. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > -Darrel There is just as much AJAX type stuff done with .NET everyday. Perhaps it's just that we don't over-hype it as much (the PHP/RoR guys are a noisy bunch ;))... There are a bunch of resources you can find (on sourceforge, codeproject, various blogs and sites, etc) and microsoft will release Atlas soon too. Personally I think it's vastly over-hyped. Not a bad tool, but people just want to "AJAXify" everything for with no real reason (other than "cool! web two point oh!" - some kind off buzzword you must use/integrate regardless). Some people are already talking about web 3.0... People are often too fast to jump to gimmicks and clever hacks i.e. worry about "AJAXifying" some app and such, whereas the extra time could have been better spent on a better design, refactoring, testing, usability, documentation, extra features, etc instead (most apps need this much more than some AJAX controls). > There is just as much AJAX type stuff done with .NET everyday. Perhaps > it's just that we don't over-hype it as much (the PHP/RoR guys are a noisy > bunch ;))... There are a bunch of resources you can find (on sourceforge, > codeproject, various blogs and sites, etc) and microsoft will release > Atlas soon too. Right. There's lots of tutorials, and MS is doing a lot, but it seems still to be a forgotten platform for the 'new web' in general. Not surprising, as MS has always been more of a enterprise workhorse moreso than what's the trendiest thing on the web. And, of course, most of the hyped stuff is being done by small firms using open source products. > Personally I think it's vastly over-hyped. I completely agree too. AJAX is often a detriment just as much as benefit. Though note that I'm not just referring to AJAX. More about the whole Web 2.0 thing in general. -Darrel Free MagazinesGet these publications absolutely FREE for up to 12 months. There are no hidden fees and no obligation. Simply choose a title, complete the application form and submit it. Read more ...
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